From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Feb 06 11:13:23 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 11:13:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1F6Bne-0005ae-UW for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 11:13:23 -0800 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.193]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1F6Bnc-0005aR-M3 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 11:13:22 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i30so1075801wra for ; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 11:13:19 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=IutMd3O5MNxj+dI3fPEMa2ObCnGFVbQdmOwWagzX6nVK0vtpLVa6SXgNclUDH3TiXY5ZdyHPLh12unJJImXnou8X7pVy3hNBdtfQjuXnKFRrnFhGeO+sE5E/GipXib6WKlnVBoOgljafwtU4oShFKiMFu79achJy7H58m2GTnh0= Received: by 10.54.127.19 with SMTP id z19mr6989982wrc; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 11:13:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.126.19 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:13:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560602061113r30badf0fj288331d0b5a0e00c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:13:18 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Lojban Reader In-Reply-To: <2d3df92a0602060817s25d1da84t96c51ccfd901073c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <2d3df92a0602060817s25d1da84t96c51ccfd901073c@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 3048 X-Approved-By: jjllambias@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 2/6/06, HeliodoR wrote: > > > .i ti cukta fi la .alex lo jbobau cilre > > Pointing at non-phisical existences is illegal; at least xorxe taught me > that... Hmm... If I did, I probably didn't put it that way. Pointing at something non-physical would seem to be impossible rather than illegal. {ti} is _supposed_ to refer to things you can point at, but sometimes people don't use it that way. As a separate issue, {cukta} seems to be more often than not used for book the physical object rather than book the literary work. > > .i le vecnu cu vecnu loi kabri > > This one must be a misunderstanding that caused quite a few problems to me, > too. > {loi} means - according to me - that there is a mass of objects or some > uncountable > thing the name of which (the *whole*) is, let's say, broda. If I'm talking > about loi broda, > I'm thinking about something the exact parts (lo broda) of which are not > important, > not worth counting - which is not the case when we're talking about selling > distinct > items. To me {loi} indicates non-distributivity. So: le vecnu cu vecnu ro kabri fo lo rupnu be li mu The seller sells each cup for 5 monetary units. le vecnu cu vecnu loi kabri fo lo rupnu be li mu The seller sells cups (all together) for 5 monetary units. le vecnu cu vecnu lo kabri fo lo rupnu be li mu The seller sells cups (distr. not specified) for 5 monetary units. > I always think of {lai loglandias. kontrapozitivos.} to clarify the > situation for myself. > (Notice there are no {la loglandias. kontrapozitivos.}.) What is that? mu'o mi'e xorxes