From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Feb 07 07:58:57 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 07:58:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1F6VF3-0004cP-CS for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 07:58:57 -0800 Received: from uproxy.gmail.com ([66.249.92.207]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1F6VF1-0004aO-20 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 07:58:57 -0800 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j40so415996ugd for ; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 07:58:53 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=AeAkiDfzZYIqgblbpWVEMdlMEnFmYy4WUbfHFSbOzC6Y9zRvgknQtLvEAa512BToTmfpM/PMC2IXiKe4MnO6iaSYHXo/TCtTbaYAg713jE5lejakwwYDsWdZoB/IwN08IOvNrp/Y7nl/KcVsO1E7Yq5VMFi21v76C9Ut7kvaf1U= Received: by 10.49.59.19 with SMTP id m19mr1351147nfk; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 07:58:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.51.10 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 07:58:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:58:52 -0500 From: Matt Arnold To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Lojban Reader In-Reply-To: <2d3df92a0602070620o562a2a63hc33d292e3c949184@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2696_18003937.1139327932932" References: <2d3df92a0602060817s25d1da84t96c51ccfd901073c@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560602061113r30badf0fj288331d0b5a0e00c@mail.gmail.com> <2d3df92a0602070620o562a2a63hc33d292e3c949184@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-archive-position: 3054 X-Approved-By: matt.mattarn@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_2696_18003937.1139327932932 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 2/7/06, HeliodoR wrote: > > > > .i ti cukta fi la .alex lo jbobau cilre > > > > > > Pointing at non-phisical existences is illegal; at least xorxe taught > > me > > > that... > > > > Hmm... If I did, I probably didn't put it that way. Pointing at > > something > > non-physical would seem to be impossible rather than illegal. {ti} is > > _supposed_ to refer to things you can point at, but sometimes > > people don't use it that way. > > > Alright. > As a separate issue, {cukta} seems to be more often than not used > > for book the physical object rather than book the literary work. > > > But there he pointed to the reader itself which at most appears on Your > screen and isn't a phisical object. > Instead of {cukta}, I suggest the use of {se tcidu} to mean "text" and {te tcidu} to mean "surface/document/reading-material which is being read from.= " As for the use of {ti}, the text has a location in 3D space-- on the screen= . Words on a paper are nothing more than an arrangement of ink molecules. Why should an arrangement of light in a physical screen not qualify as pointable? -epkat ------=_Part_2696_18003937.1139327932932 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 2/7/06, HeliodoR <exitconsole@gmail.com> wrote:
> > .i ti c= ukta fi la .alex lo jbobau cilre
>
> Pointing at non-phisical e= xistences is illegal; at least xorxe taught me
> that...

Hmm... If I did, I probably didn't put it that way.= Pointing at something
non-physical would seem to be impossible rather t= han illegal. {ti} is
_supposed_ to refer to things you can point at, but= sometimes
people don't use it that way.
 
Alright. 

As a separate issue, {cukta} seems to be more often than not used
for bo= ok the physical object rather than book the literary work.
 
But there he pointed to the reader itself which at most appears o= n Your
screen and isn't a phisical object.

I= nstead of {cukta}, I suggest the use of {se tcidu} to mean "text"= and {te tcidu} to mean "surface/document/reading-material which is be= ing read from." As for the use of {ti}, the text has a location in 3D = space-- on the screen. Words on a paper are nothing more than an arrangemen= t of ink molecules. Why should an arrangement of light in a physical screen= not qualify as pointable?
-epkat

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