From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Feb 16 16:03:46 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:04:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1F9t6A-0007ga-17 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:03:46 -0800 Received: from smtp.mail.umich.edu ([141.211.14.81] helo=hackers.mr.itd.umich.edu) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1F9t67-0007gS-Sq for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:03:45 -0800 Received: FROM [141.211.248.93] (markley26.ccs.itd.umich.edu [141.211.248.93]) BY hackers.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 43F51297.C4113.9752 ; 16 Feb 2006 19:02:39 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <3DE4E0C2-34FA-4CDB-A3A1-D0EBD27F7D86@umich.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org From: Alex Joseph Martini Subject: [lojban-beginners] Subjunctive in Lojban Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:02:30 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 3058 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: alexjm@umich.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners What is the way to exspress the equivalent of the subjunctive mood in lojban? In American English, this would be the difference between {I insist that Joe goes to class} and {I insist that Joe go to class}. The first one is declarative and says that it's true, the second just says that I *want* it to be true. I think the British English version of the second sentence is {I insist that Joe should go to class}. The distinction is pretty slight in English, so it tends to be supplemented with other words around it. In all honesty, I didn't even know that the subjunctive existed until I studied it in Spanish. Is there a way to make this distinction in lojban? mu'omi'e .alex.