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From: Alex Joseph Martini <alexjm@umich.edu>
Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Subjunctive in Lojban
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:35:11 -0500
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So would {mi xusra lenu la djan. klama le zarci} as compared to {mi  
xusra da'i lenu la djan. klama le zarci} parallel {I assert that John  
goes to the market} as compared to {I assert that John [should] go to  
the market}?

Or is the problem a collapsing of clauses in the English, since they  
could be expanded as {I assert that it is true that John goes to the  
market}  and {I assert that I want John to go to the market}.

Even more lojbanically, these could be {I assert that the event of  
(John goes to the market) is true} and {I assert that I want the  
event of (John goes to the market) to be true}. When I expand them  
all the way out like this, I'm not sure that "supposing" quite fits  
in this case. It would for hypothetical cases -- the other major use  
of the subjunctive -- but I don't see how I'm really supposing anything.

mo'umi'e .alex.

On Feb 16, 2006, at 7:10 PM, Robin Lee Powell wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 16, 2006 at 07:02:30PM -0500, Alex Joseph Martini wrote:
>> What is the way to express the equivalent of the subjunctive mood
>> in  lojban?
>
>  da'i      UI3      supposing
>                     discursive: supposing - in fact
>
>                     (cf. sruma)
>
> -Robin