From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Mar 07 11:42:51 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 07 Mar 2006 11:52:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FGi55-0000NA-GO for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 11:42:51 -0800 Received: from mail.foraynewmedia.com ([69.55.237.146]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA1:24) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FGi50-0000My-7D for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 11:42:51 -0800 Received: (qmail 61873 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2006 19:42:44 -0000 Received: from 82-36-195-44.cable.ubr01.sutt.blueyonder.co.uk (HELO ?10.0.1.99?) (jimdabell-jim@82.36.195.44) by mail.foraynewmedia.com with EXP1024-RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 7 Mar 2006 19:42:44 -0000 From: Jim Dabell Subject: [lojban-beginners] Confusion with Lojban For Beginners Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 19:45:44 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-Length: 1521 X-UID: 6 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200603071945.44840.jim-digitalkingdom.org-lojban@jimdabell.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 3085 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jim-digitalkingdom.org-lojban@jimdabell.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners I was reading the Lobjan introduction, and found what appears to be contradictory text on this page: Near the middle, it states that pritu means: x1 is to the right of x2, where x2 is facing x3 However, in the examples at the bottom, it translates: la .iulias. pritu la mari,as. la klaudias. ...as: Julia is to the right of Maria, facing Claudia. Which reads very much like it is Julia facing Claudia, not Maria. If I understand the above definition of pritu correctly, the original Lojban says that it is not Julia facing Claudia, but Maria. I referred to the word list available at the following location: This defines pritu as: pritu right x1 is to the right/right-hand side of x2 which faces/in-frame-of-reference x3 1e 55 [also: x3 is the standard of orientation for x2]; (cf. cmavo list ri'u, mlana, crane, trixe, farna, zunle) "in-frame-of-reference" suggests to me a third possibility; that neither Julia nor Maria necessarily face Claudia, but that Julia is to the right of Maria from Claudia's point of view. So which of these three meanings is the correct one? -- Jim