From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Mar 07 16:27:00 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 07 Mar 2006 16:27:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FGmW3-0004V0-Uz for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 16:27:00 -0800 Received: from [166.82.175.165] (helo=blackcat.ixazon.lan) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FGmW1-0004Up-15 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 16:26:59 -0800 Received: by blackcat.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8FB1D1A39; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 00:27:20 +0000 (UTC) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Confusion with Lojban For Beginners Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 21:27:09 -0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200603071945.44840.jim-digitalkingdom.org-lojban@jimdabell.com> In-Reply-To: <200603071945.44840.jim-digitalkingdom.org-lojban@jimdabell.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200603072127.12820.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-archive-position: 3088 X-Approved-By: phma@phma.optus.nu X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Tuesday 07 March 2006 16:45, Jim Dabell wrote: li'o > "in-frame-of-reference" suggests to me a third possibility; that neither > Julia nor Maria necessarily face Claudia, but that Julia is to the right of > Maria from Claudia's point of view. > > So which of these three meanings is the correct one? I think that Julia is to the right of Maria from Claudia's point of view. English has a few expressions indicating right in a reference frame, such as "stage right" (not to be confused with stage fright ;) ) and "audience right". Audience right is right in the frame of reference of someone in the audience. The directions used for houses in English are weird. Right and left are in the frame of someone in the street looking at the house, but front and back are in the frame of someone in the house looking at the street. Beats me. phma