From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Mar 09 11:40:23 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 09 Mar 2006 11:46:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FHQzm-0007Nc-Rx for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 11:40:22 -0800 Received: from sparkle.rodents.montreal.qc.ca ([216.46.5.7]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FHQzi-0007NS-9k for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 11:40:22 -0800 Received: (from mouse@localhost) by Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA29975; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 14:40:14 -0500 (EST) From: der Mouse Message-Id: <200603091940.OAA29975@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Erik-Conspiracy: There is no Conspiracy - and if there were I wouldn't be part of it anyway. X-Message-Flag: Microsoft: the company who gave us the botnet zombies. Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 14:37:08 -0500 (EST) To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: lojban-beginners Digest V5 #41 In-Reply-To: References: X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 3091 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners > la .iulias. pritu la mari,as. la klaudias. > 3) Julia is to the right of Maria from Claudia's point of view. > 5) If Maria (or better someone standing where she is) were to face > Claudia, Julia would be on her (Maria's) right. > That leaves 3 and 5 as contenders, unfortunately, they often give > opposite results. > The definition as stated suggests 5, but 3 is better, because 5 is > ambiguous in situations where there is no up and down defined. If up and down are undefined, so are left and right. (At least, if forward is defined, which is implicit in the notion of facing in a direction.) Necessarily, since we can define any one of the three axes (left-right, up-down, forward-backward) as the cross product of the other two, so if one of them is ambiguous, at least one of the other two must be as well. /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B