From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Mar 16 07:42:46 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:42:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FJucf-0004gM-TY for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:42:46 -0800 Received: from [166.82.175.165] (helo=blackcat.ixazon.lan) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FJucd-0004g9-Ts for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:42:45 -0800 Received: by blackcat.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 422E01A8A; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:42:49 +0000 (UTC) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: My first two sentences - are they correct so far? Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:42:45 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.3 References: <1225392006.20060314082022@stapelberg.de> <2d3df92a0603160646v4b19553av2c3aee4574ac686@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <2d3df92a0603160646v4b19553av2c3aee4574ac686@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200603161042.47417.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-archive-position: 3112 X-Approved-By: phma@phma.optus.nu X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Thursday 16 March 2006 09:46, HeliodoR wrote: > Neither do I understand ?{zildatni}. {zildatni} means "information" in the Shannon sense, not necessarily about anything. datni: x1 is information about x2 gathered by method x3 zildatni: x1 is information gathered by method x2 {zil} is the rafsi of {zi'o}, which deletes a place from the place structure. phma