From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Apr 11 06:31:35 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:31:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FTIxz-0006Uu-Ju for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:31:35 -0700 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.229]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FTIxx-0006Uj-Hj for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:31:35 -0700 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 57so971154wri for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:31:32 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bG8LoHiH21Td28f+javWlY9QMTMk4wubFr+qc5Femb7FEbE3CVniqB6CMdFub3uiuli0+ICawIdauqTqbcRzGZEmlAoqDx6CemnzYLeo/0wtEpMTXNPvZDzPLGWZhkmXsENzxGx6NF2DedT/xYcMnS/YLzawc8mzaOR1goTZaMk= Received: by 10.54.107.17 with SMTP id f17mr5108635wrc; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:31:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.67.19 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:31:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560604110631tdfb84a5nbf9b9d9db5ae7162@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:31:32 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: association (pe/be) In-Reply-To: <200604102207.37161.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060411000537.8892.qmail@web36501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <925d17560604101835n7a4232f2t1b4577ff0fcf565b@mail.gmail.com> <200604102207.37161.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 3148 X-Approved-By: jjllambias@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 4/10/06, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Monday 10 April 2006 21:35, Jorge Llambías wrote: > > You can also say {le pe fe mi zdani}, strangely enough. > > What does that mean? Or this: {la xenrix. pe fo la djein. te .u la xod. pe > do'e la lizbet. klama}? I don't know what your sentence means exactly, but I would say it is true in any case. :) I'd say that "P iteju Q" means "whether or not P and whether or not Q", a complete tautology. {pe do'e la lizbet.} is equivalent to {poi co'e la lizbet.}, nothing strange there except that it's a bit redundant since {pe} by itself is basically the same thing. {la xenrix. pe fo la djein.} is indeed weird. mu'o mi'e xorxes