From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Jun 06 07:47:41 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 07 Jun 2006 08:53:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FncqL-0001lu-4b for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 07:47:41 -0700 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.171]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FncqJ-0001ln-4y for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 07:47:40 -0700 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id j40so1653517ugd for ; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 07:47:37 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=o7QHTVFQH/rhoJoZ+mxiLEdyjysf/3zPz6EMugg3opPSsHbwz5lFH408oOh6JXcC3LNCAp7HCfxbUjF4l1iytusk6+pQ5HTQ7RyArA7nzs/M/ocE47n6aQ/g8ooVHcEt5JuWH6Gp3FerzKukQ0IFDeqLJ1mrwF7lY+5AG27st2U= Received: by 10.66.216.6 with SMTP id o6mr4585473ugg; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 07:47:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.31.5 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 07:47:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 10:47:37 -0400 From: "Jonathan Gibbons" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Hi and lots of questions In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200606051013.11318.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) X-archive-position: 3225 X-Approved-By: jkominek@miranda.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jonored@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Now, what I find really nifty is the way that in tengwar these sorts of relationships between sounds are what the writing system is based on - the symbols for voiced/unvoiced pairs are variants of each other, only different in one feature, for sounds where air goes from not going through your mouth to going through your mouth are again different in only one feature from the associated sounds where air is always flowing or where no air is flowing (nasals). I've actually been using them to help me get pronunciation. The theory is slightly different, though, so it has some symbols that aren't used. It seems to me potentially worthwhile to have a similarly logical writing system as an option, perhaps a bit more fitted to the lojban phoneme set and structure. -Jonathan