From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Jun 07 10:58:17 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 07 Jun 2006 10:58:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fo2IL-0007cu-Jl for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 10:58:17 -0700 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.171]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fo2IJ-0007ci-7h for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 10:58:17 -0700 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id j3so416400ugf for ; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 10:58:13 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=t89F82o93GGpxxuzLaqvFIMMI16featqK9gPTbMptPPFKSOnozxJeYund8+7+XABT9Duhmpa49W1jxLypUZHt1euMLmI9mMy5o+8q5aMSktxl5BoMp8Oc7FYj/ptDM0jWRMiAQ3NLibGGa/5N8X1blOeyfXb1JB5cp9YJJigejw= Received: by 10.78.18.1 with SMTP id 1mr272926hur; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 10:58:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.33.3 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:58:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <12d58c160606071058k19c5de03g5107edd739b15647@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 13:58:13 -0400 From: "komfo,amonan" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Hi and lots of questions In-Reply-To: <12d58c160606071056h2b031383i3ab65fc1f6a6e3f2@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6895_8645029.1149703093074" References: <200606051013.11318.phma@phma.optus.nu> <12d58c160606071056h2b031383i3ab65fc1f6a6e3f2@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: a4215c3b48dbbff3 X-Spam-Score: -2.2 (--) X-archive-position: 3226 X-Approved-By: komfoamonan@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: komfoamonan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_6895_8645029.1149703093074 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 6/6/06, Jonathan Gibbons wrote: > > > Now, what I find really nifty is the way that in tengwar these sorts > of relationships between sounds are what the writing system is based > on - the symbols for voiced/unvoiced pairs are variants of each other, > only different in one feature, for sounds where air goes from not > going through your mouth to going through your mouth are again > different in only one feature from the associated sounds where air is > always flowing or where no air is flowing (nasals). I've actually been > using them to help me get pronunciation. The theory is slightly > different, though, so it has some symbols that aren't used. > > It seems to me potentially worthwhile to have a similarly logical > writing system as an option, perhaps a bit more fitted to the lojban > phoneme set and structure. > > -Jonathan > If you're interested, there's a wiki page on alternative orthographies http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Alternate+Orthographies&highlight=orthography There's one designed by uirik http://www.calpoly.edu/~bwirick/orthography.jpg And a conversation on the lojban list from last year -- subject 'Orthography'. You can look it up. Cheers. mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan -- http://laxmahispajispaji.blogspot.com/ ro re'u se galfi de'i li 05 pi'e 30 ------=_Part_6895_8645029.1149703093074 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 6/6/06, Jonathan Gibbons <jonored@gmail.com> wrote:

Now, what I find really nifty is the way that in tengwar these sorts
of relationships between sounds are what the writing system is based
on - the symbols for voiced/unvoiced pairs are variants of each other,
only different in one feature, for sounds where air goes from not
going through your mouth to going through your mouth are again
different in only one feature from the associated sounds where air is
always flowing or where no air is flowing (nasals). I've actually been
using them to help me get pronunciation. The theory is slightly
different, though, so it has some symbols that aren't used.

It seems to me potentially worthwhile to have a similarly logical
writing system as an option, perhaps a bit more fitted to the lojban
phoneme set and structure.

-Jonathan

If you're interested, there's a wiki page on alternative orthographies
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Alternate+Orthographies&highlight=orthography

There's one designed by uirik
http://www.calpoly.edu/~bwirick/orthography.jpg

And a conversation on the lojban list from last year -- subject 'Orthography'. You can look it up.

Cheers.
mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan
--
http://laxmahispajispaji.blogspot.com/
ro re'u se galfi de'i li 05 pi'e 30
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