From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Jun 30 16:29:41 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:29:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FwSQe-0003Mu-SJ for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:29:40 -0700 Received: from ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com ([24.93.47.41]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FwSQa-0003Mk-Oy for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:29:40 -0700 Received: from [192.168.1.103] (cpe-66-68-161-49.austin.res.rr.com [66.68.161.49]) by ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UNTWBo024798 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 18:29:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44A5B3DC.7020000@hypermetrics.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 18:29:32 -0500 From: Hal Fulton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0RC1 (X11/20041209) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Questions from the eternal newbie... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 3310 X-Approved-By: hal9000@hypermetrics.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: hal9000@hypermetrics.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Pardon my high specific gravity, but Lojban just doesn't fit into my head easily. 1. Referring to _What is Lojban?_, p 101: {le ti bajra tavla} "the this-one's runner talks" Are the {ku} and {cu} elidable as shown?? What prevents this from being a tanru? In the two prior examples, which are similar, the {cu} is not elided. 2. Supposedly (p 102) this is the same as {le bajra pe ti tavla} Hmmm. OK. So what are the ways to say "my cat"? Are all these valid? {le mlatu pe mi} {le pe mi mlatu} {le mi mlatu} 3. Finally, on p 105 we have the implication operators "=>" ({na.a}, {naja}, ...) In parens it says "(if a then b; a only if b)" -- am I crazy, or should that be "(...; b only if a)" ? And is this operator the same as "iff" (if and only if)? Sometimes I think I'm smart, but lately I feel very stupid. Thanks, Hal