From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Jun 30 17:13:03 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 17:13:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FwT6d-0004EP-33 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 17:13:03 -0700 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.179]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FwT6c-0004EH-55 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 17:13:02 -0700 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id 39so323528pyu for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 17:13:00 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fsvdvw3CpZDI2uaEfYWhgDYDoR/br09s7XAt8ZD3/7F2i8xYFENTt2zzl20B0atpWgAEimXF+sKEcK4wjtuOS7HAgUb7oPppTNpMPMComjEW2kCy7iQQGS2kPf7+cNvblp77HV1rxwzPhkEKnQEjYy6IMjJd1VoM7Bv9aPd0tTI= Received: by 10.35.111.14 with SMTP id o14mr985514pym; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 17:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.14.17 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 17:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560606301713v27e4a563q7026e7eb0b639cdb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 21:13:00 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Questions from the eternal newbie... In-Reply-To: <44A5B3DC.7020000@hypermetrics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44A5B3DC.7020000@hypermetrics.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 3311 X-Approved-By: jjllambias@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 6/30/06, Hal Fulton wrote: > Pardon my high specific gravity, but Lojban just doesn't > fit into my head easily. > > 1. Referring to _What is Lojban?_, p 101: > > {le ti bajra tavla} "the this-one's runner talks" > > Are the {ku} and {cu} elidable as shown?? What prevents > this from being a tanru? In the two prior examples, > which are similar, the {cu} is not elided. You are right, the {cu} (or {ku}) is needed there. > 2. Supposedly (p 102) this is the same as > {le bajra pe ti tavla} > > Hmmm. OK. So what are the ways to say "my cat"? Are > all these valid? > > {le mlatu pe mi} > {le pe mi mlatu} > {le mi mlatu} > They are all equivalent, yes. > 3. Finally, on p 105 we have the implication operators > "=>" ({na.a}, {naja}, ...) > > In parens it says "(if a then b; a only if b)" -- am I > crazy, or should that be "(...; b only if a)" ? "a only if b" is correct, i.e. "if not b then not a". > And is this operator the same as "iff" (if and only if)? No, that's the double implication, {jo}. The corresponding truth tables are: A B A inaja B A ijo B T T T T T F F F F T T F F F T T mu'o mi'e xorxes