From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Jul 06 04:23:29 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 06 Jul 2006 04:23:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FyRx9-0005WX-FT for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 04:23:28 -0700 Received: from phma.optus.nu ([166.82.175.165] helo=ixazon.dynip.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FyRwr-0005W1-RR for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 04:23:20 -0700 Received: from [192.168.25.19] (unknown [192.168.25.19]) by ixazon.dynip.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E50ACE5F9 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 07:22:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: explicit time and space Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 07:22:45 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <44ACD9E3.4000809@mail.ru> <200607061126.06220.jim-digitalkingdom.org-lojban@jimdabell.com> In-Reply-To: <200607061126.06220.jim-digitalkingdom.org-lojban@jimdabell.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200607060722.47736.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-archive-position: 3344 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Thursday 06 July 2006 06:26, djim.dyBEL. wrote: > The original bridi: > > I read that book. > {mi tcidu le ta cukta} {le va cukta} or {ta noi cukta} if it's at medium distance or near the listener. {le di'u cukta} if it's the book just mentioned. Otherwise maybe {ko'u noi cukta}. > You use ne'i as the location tense for "within": > > I read that book in Moscow. > {mi tcidu le ta cukta ne'i la moskau.} {la moskov.} {moskau} means something like "what all things that rub have in common". > You use de'i to attach a date: > > I read that book in Moscow on November 15, 1941. > {mi tcidu le ta cukta ne'i la moskau. de'i li pamu pi'e fei pi'e pasovopa} Dates are said in the order YYYY-MM-DD when said as a number. DD/MM/YYYY is used when said in words: {le pamumoi be le rebjukma'i be le pasovopamoi}, with which I would more likely use {ca} than {de'i}. phma