From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Aug 14 11:04:37 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:04:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GCgnl-0004FE-Ep for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:04:37 -0700 Received: from mout0.freenet.de ([194.97.50.131]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GCgni-0004F5-F3 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:04:37 -0700 Received: from [194.97.55.191] (helo=mx7.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1GCgnc-0003OZ-NB for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 20:04:28 +0200 Received: from 139-198-dsl.kielnet.net ([89.27.198.139] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by mx7.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID m.graff@freenet.de) (Exim 4.62 #2) id 1GCgnc-0004sH-Gi for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 20:04:28 +0200 Message-ID: <44E0BB23.8050905@freenet.de> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 20:04:19 +0200 From: Michael Graff User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] end of text-cmavo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-archive-position: 3502 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: m.graff@freenet.de Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners coi rodo poi se cinri la lojban. .i le ninmu poi se prami mi pu cliva gi'e .au baza se klama mi .i .a'u pu lonu go'i ku mi ca gunka lonu cilre la lojban. .e cmaci > di'u je'a prane lo ka ce'u gendra .i pe'i mi jimpe la'edi'u > ku'i la'a lo nu seba'i zo fa'o cu cusku zo fe'o e zo mu'o cu zmadu lo ka mundra .i ku'i ki'aru'e mi clite smadi lodu'u do stidi fi mi fe lonu mi na'e ciska zo fa'o .i mi se krefu troci lonu fanva "But the expressing of {fe'o} and {mu'o} instead of {fa'o} is probably more correct with respect to the meaning." .i .ua mi ca jimpe .i ku'i mi stidi lonu seba'i zo .e cusku zo .a Thanks for this tip. I have read the associated passage in the "Reference Grammar" and have learned this: {mu'o} means "I have finished this part of my text/speech. But I want you to continue the conversation (and perhaps I will respond to your utterance)." {fe'o} means "The complete conversation is over." {fa'o} means "This is the end of the text. I assume that a computer will use this text." Is this correct? I have read that {fe'o} is used for "The Email is over"; but isn't {mu'o} appropriate? Are both "MIxael" and "MIxa,el" identically pronounced and both allowed? .co'omi'e MIxael. --- la lojban cinri .ijanai la'e dei jetnu fe'o