From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Aug 14 11:59:41 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:59:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GChf3-00053E-8g for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:59:41 -0700 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.236]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GChf0-000535-Ej for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:59:41 -0700 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so1292757wxc for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:59:34 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=PcWslRdbTG9FI8HYfPJGtpSPFbpqQ+PL3AgfTYWttG6svIUISIR9zISAVQyCHmVAI7dI3HUL4rtczVXYlllFiWWNlDh8c5tgvDqPAjaVdalOqOsK3e2jIl5k2w3SA6ln7mOpe7sdg0C1VwJXUSHfB/ykapTbiD72iStZgPgo4qI= Received: by 10.78.156.6 with SMTP id d6mr3419601hue; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.14.9 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:59:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2d3df92a0608141159q2b68eb29n6173582198a59921@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 20:59:32 +0200 From: HeliodoR To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: end of text-cmavo In-Reply-To: <44E0BB23.8050905@freenet.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_119775_21764415.1155581972865" References: <44E0BB23.8050905@freenet.de> X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) X-archive-position: 3503 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: exitconsole@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_119775_21764415.1155581972865 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline > > .i le ninmu poi se prami mi pu cliva gi'e .au baza se klama mi A "cu" is needed after the relative clause: le ninmu poi se prami mi cu pu cliva ... > .i .a'u pu lonu go'i ku mi ca gunka lonu cilre la lojban. .e cmaci "loi cmaci", for it must be a sumti. > .i ku'i ki'aru'e mi clite smadi lodu'u do stidi fi mi fe lonu mi na'e > ciska zo fa'o Yes. > "But the expressing of {fe'o} and {mu'o} instead of {fa'o} is probably > more correct with respect to the meaning." Yes again. :) > .i .ua mi ca jimpe .i ku'i mi stidi lonu seba'i zo .e cusku zo .a mi gleki lo nu go'e ".e" means that the statement is true for either one of the listed sumti. That is, in my opinion both {fe'o} and {mu'o} would fit better than {fa'o}. > [...] Is this correct? (I'm no native Lojban speaker, so how could I revise the Ref. Grammar itself? :)) Yes, it is. > I have read that {fe'o} is used for "The Email is > over"; but isn't {mu'o} appropriate? The use of {fe'o} isn't restricted to emails. It can also mean the "The End" at the end of a text, for example. You can also see lots of {mu'o}'s used in emails on this list. > Are both "MIxael" and "MIxa,el" identically pronounced and both allowed? Yup. mi'e darves P.S.: {co'o} is usually not used for closing emails. ------=_Part_119775_21764415.1155581972865 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
.i le ninmu poi se prami mi pu cliva gi'e .au baza se klama mi
 
A "cu" is needed after the relative clause:
le ninmu poi se prami mi cu pu cliva ...

 
.i .a'u pu lonu go'i ku mi ca gunka lonu cilre la lojban. .e cmaci
 
"loi cmaci", for it must be a sumti.

 
.i ku'i ki'aru'e mi clite smadi lodu'u do stidi fi mi fe lonu mi na'e
ciska zo fa'o
 
Yes.

 
"But the expressing of {fe'o} and {mu'o} instead of {fa'o} is probably more correct with respect to the meaning."
 
Yes again. :)

 
.i .ua mi ca jimpe .i ku'i mi stidi lonu seba'i zo .e cusku zo .a
 
mi gleki lo nu go'e
".e" means that the statement is true for either one of the
listed sumti. That is, in my opinion both {fe'o} and {mu'o}
would fit better than {fa'o}.

 
[...]
Is this correct?
 
(I'm no native Lojban speaker, so how could I revise the
Ref. Grammar itself? :))
Yes, it is.

 
I have read that {fe'o} is used for "The Email is
over"; but isn't {mu'o} appropriate?
 
The use of {fe'o} isn't restricted to emails. It can also
mean the "The End" at the end of a text, for example.
You can also see lots of {mu'o}'s used in emails on
this list.

 
Are both "MIxael" and "MIxa,el" identically pronounced and both allowed?
 
Yup.
 
mi'e darves
P.S.: {co'o} is usually not used for closing emails.
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