From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Aug 17 12:11:50 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GDnHS-0008Ul-ED for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:11:50 -0700 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.182]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GDnHR-0008Ue-I9 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:11:50 -0700 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id z74so1533812pyg for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:11:47 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=iBWbzXQfsqcZGs3DuAzzqv0UdVKWhvjiZpuCnm5u7nalrTeeaJC91EM0nDhSMQ/WC6Buf+RQru8WLPEl2dOKoA3QT2tBE7t3Mo4vHw3USzPkMEDgQhuQmtdQV5xVO4GFZtzC5+SdoZ/XqDHzb7sTRVh+KynLxJAet4Lks1F6STg= Received: by 10.35.78.13 with SMTP id f13mr4160108pyl; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:11:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.22.14 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:11:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560608171211g508d895bre7a94b7124905dc8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:11:47 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: ti/ta/tu, zo'e, da In-Reply-To: <737b61f30608171124r375df6a9m996ddd220224c3d2@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44E48545.9090001@freenet.de> <737b61f30608170837o57edbca7gd03473dfbcc15cd2@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560608170914g10720851w26239dd0001bdf6d@mail.gmail.com> <737b61f30608170953p6bcfdbcjd3a760a9b7914bcb@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560608171102v495b7e02ueff57256af1a4de9@mail.gmail.com> <737b61f30608171124r375df6a9m996ddd220224c3d2@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-archive-position: 3525 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 8/17/06, Chris Capel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > .i lo munje puzuki citno .i ro cmana cazu crino > > I was trying to use "cazu" or "caza" to mean "simultaneous to within X > time period", where X is za or zu. For instance, in certain context > things are only simultaneous if they happen within a few nanoseconds > of each other. In other contexts, that can be seconds, hours, years, > or eons. Both "the world was young" and "all mountains were green" are very long events, presumably the intent is that their durations overlap, so their simultaneity is not a matter of any separation between them, neither nanoseconds nor years. They are truly simultaneous. > Does "caza" not work for indicating that scope? I realize > that "ca" by itself allows that leeway in simultaneity, but is there a > way to make it explicit? If we were talking about events separated by some period of time, that would work, yes. In this case, the events don't seem to be separated by any period of time, small or large. mu'o mi'e xorxes