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Subject: [lojban-beginners] legal consonant pairs and permissible initial consonant pairs
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coi rodo,

.au .uanaibu'onai

CLL: "There are just 48 such permissible initial consonant pairs,     as follows: bl br cf ck cl cm cn cp cr ct dj dr dz fl fr gl gr jb jd       jg jm jv kl kr ml mr pl pr sf sk sl sm sn sp sr st tc tr ts       vl vr xl xr zb zd zg zm zv"

Firstly, I don't see {rs} listed as one of the 48 permissible initial consonant pairs although there are gismu like {jursa} and {darsi} etc.  Also there are lujvo in the lujvo list which also use {rs} as an initial consonant pair: {jaurselylu'i}, {jirsezlu'i}, {ki'orsamsrorau}, {varsenta}.  Not only that, but I am able to also find other lujvo in the "current" lujvo list that appear to violate the initial consonant pair rule, such as {kamsorselmanri}.

Second, for a potential lujvo (one I created) such as {varsetvro} for "airlock", the triple of {tvr} seems permissible because it is not one of the four excluded triples and because {vr} is a permissible initial pair.  But jbofi'e will not accept {varsetvro} although it will accpet {varsetyvro} for some reason. Notice it also accepts the initial consonant pair {rs} as well.  So if {varsetvro} it not a valid lujvo, why not?

mi'e codrus

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<div>coi rodo,</div><br>.au .uanaibu'onai<br><br>CLL: "There are just 48 such permissible initial consonant pairs,     as follows: bl br cf ck cl cm cn cp cr ct dj dr dz fl fr gl gr jb jd       jg jm jv kl kr ml mr pl pr sf sk sl sm sn sp sr st tc tr ts       vl vr xl xr zb zd zg zm zv"<br><br>Firstly, <span class="main-span" id="text"><font style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;" color="#000000">I don't see {rs} listed as one of the 48 permissible initial consonant pairs although there are gismu like {jursa} and {darsi} etc.&nbsp; Also there are lujvo in the lujvo list</font></span><span class="main-span" id="text"><font style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;" color="#000000"> which also
 use {rs} as an initial consonant pair:</font></span><span class="main-span" id="text"><font style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;" color="#000000"> {jaurselylu'i}, {jirsezlu'i}, {ki'orsamsrorau}, {varsenta}.&nbsp; Not only that, but I am able to also find other lujvo in the "current" lujvo list that appear to violate the initial consonant pair rule, such as {kamsorselmanri}.<br><br>Second, for a potential lujvo (one I created) such as {varsetvro} for "airlock", the triple of {tvr} seems permissible because it is not one of the four excluded triples and because {vr} is a permissible initial pair.</font></span>&nbsp; But jbofi'e will not accept {varsetvro} although it will accpet {varsetyvro} for some reason. Notice it also accepts the initial consonant pair {rs} as well.&nbsp; So if {varsetvro} it not a valid lujvo, why
 not?<br><br>mi'e codrus<br><p>&#32;__________________________________________________<br>Do You Yahoo!?<br>Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around <br>http://mail.yahoo.com 
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