From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Aug 30 05:54:08 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 30 Aug 2006 05:54:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GIPa4-00078d-Fd for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 05:54:08 -0700 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.176]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GIPa2-00078U-Qs for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 05:54:08 -0700 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id i49so204293pyi for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 05:54:04 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=X3CkJAzTRwyxApUgKAEqx8zpyaObLONChnVMTHvwKts3Tgk370GR+oxVTmVDDl8LleOcEWDMhs4om1u6MV8bD8TB07yhYAGwa7vYsYxIk2hUzOwITtaNvj6jH7cqH1k6k1wjOD6+nfy+eVNHeqkBuGs0g1dqFFXz22WH9ppq86Y= Received: by 10.35.39.13 with SMTP id r13mr951637pyj; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 05:54:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.22.14 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 05:54:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560608300554p316b1a71rf12b7b03ef3b6b2c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 09:54:03 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Today I am creating ... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-archive-position: 3548 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 8/30/06, MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com wrote: > ca le cabdei mi finti le carni > or > mi ca le cabdei cu finti le carni > or > mi finti ca le cabdei le carni > or > mi finti le carni ca le cabdei (carni -> karni?) or ca le cabdei mi le karni cu finti or mi le karni ca le cabdei cu finti or mi ca le cabdei le karni cu finti or mi le karni cu finti ca le cabdei > Basically it can go anywhere, as long as it's terminated properly so that it > doesn't interfere with the other phrases. Right, {ca le cabdei} is an unnumbered term. Unnumbered terms can go in any term postion. Unmarked numbered terms have to be ordered, and the only requirement for them is that the first one goes before the selbri. > Is there a difference in topicality or emphasis in each version above? Probably. If some of the terms had outer quantifiers, then the order would make a difference though. For example: (1) mi finti ca ro le djedi su'o le karni selsku I create each day at least one of the journal entries. (2) mi finti su'o le carni selsku ca ro le djedi I create at least one of the journal entries every day. In (1), I may create each day a different journal entry, whereas in (2) at least one of the journal entries is such that it is created every day, so (2) does not make a lot of sense. mi'e xorxes