From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Sep 04 06:36:54 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 04 Sep 2006 06:36:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GKEdB-0004Ms-Rd for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 06:36:54 -0700 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.238]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GKEd5-0004Ml-Rb for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 06:36:52 -0700 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so2066278wxc for ; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 06:36:46 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fYeW0Ika9WVUG9aWY0lM1axoNBPgjJSwKu3Dg9iHLafpCBzp4WH3c0M8KLtzd70OuNFxWuIqW+MUyIuFuM88Oi/9kb5ZAluVd1tgCXDV5gMYRmFM9RQe+2ThV9k2tYg2WkViTq3XdJjYdsaKfiU/ZyzBHD62Kgl+XSA6RhtyMZ0= Received: by 10.90.52.18 with SMTP id z18mr1085939agz; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 06:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.55.6 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Sep 2006 06:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 09:36:46 -0400 From: "Matt Arnold" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Stress. In-Reply-To: <20060903183246.GG29824@chain.digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060902164155.51784.qmail@web51509.mail.yahoo.com> <12d58c160609021223l58876451q672af9a04d359d6c@mail.gmail.com> <2d3df92a0609021314m5bd32555n389ea2afedf21959@mail.gmail.com> <737b61f30609031028u632750fnf464dfa780087211@mail.gmail.com> <20060903182706.GF29824@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <20060903183246.GG29824@chain.digitalkingdom.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.2 (--) X-archive-position: 3564 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 9/3/06, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Sun, Sep 03, 2006 at 11:27:06AM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > Thought about it more, ran a search. "letadjicaku" can parse as "le > ta djica ku" or "le tadji ca ku", both completely valid and > sensible. > > -Robin > It has long been maintained that Lojban is a language in which puns would not work as a form of humor. Strictly speaking of correct Lojban, this is true. But this example made me realize that a clever punster who speaks Lojban can still create humor by speaking an utterance ever so slightly wrong. If the listener is sufficiently good with Lojban, the pattern-recognition engine the human brain will recognize what he said and what he almost said, resulting in a humorous double meaning. This is almost exactly the same mechanism as a pun. I expect a lot of Lojbanic language-dependent humor to depend on a listener recognizing what was _almost_ said. -epkat