From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Sep 20 04:44:13 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 20 Sep 2006 04:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GQ0Uq-0001jC-Ml for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 04:44:09 -0700 Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com ([64.233.162.198]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GQ0Un-0001j3-A5 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 04:44:08 -0700 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id n1so87688nzf for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 04:44:03 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=P1No+f6OOPp2mmnaz9d2uWveFT2DNXSXUiMRNIGVPihfmGBiXRftTmN3gYClkPsEzzxp863j6mVKGZgIB3AUo2QrVlgFpGL8eYmYUmk3P7NCzog+hz4aCfFwxYpHWyfvrhXtd6wpO5Jm5kStW0Uv4Vt6TXFWrWLpjB+9Lld19bk= Received: by 10.65.211.13 with SMTP id n13mr16322169qbq; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 04:44:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.88.19 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 04:44:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6fdb45540609200444h676f8daai23b91b5d9e6a5568@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 13:44:03 +0200 From: Michael To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Assistance in studying Lojban required. Some-one who would like to converse in Lojban with newbie is wanted. In-Reply-To: <451054EA.7060900@bcpl.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6fdb45540609140827i21d95f5fue0e06f6ebdec385c@mail.gmail.com> <451054EA.7060900@bcpl.net> X-Spam-Score: -2.2 (--) X-archive-position: 3586 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: space3000@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 9/19/06, Michael Turniansky wrote: > > > Michael wrote: > > > > > .i mi cpedu lenu mi penmi le la lojban. tavla > > > > Does this parse properly without a ku after lojban because "tavla" > can't be part of a cmevla sequence? > (i.e. if we had said ".. le le lojbo tavla" that wouldn't be > grammatical, we'd need "le le lojbo ku tavla") Well I don't see any problem. "le le lojbo tavla" would be ambigous because you've got two gismu that run together and form a tanru. But "le la lojban. tavla" is quite clear. You've got the cmene "lojban" and "tavla" the gismu. They shouldn't form a tanru. I tested the "ku" form and the "ku"-less one in jboski and my formulation gave proper result, where the "ku" form didn't parse (hmm... dunno why).