From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Sep 20 12:45:26 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 20 Sep 2006 12:45:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GQ80c-0004ih-ND for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 12:45:26 -0700 Received: from smtp.mail.umich.edu ([141.211.93.160] helo=skycaptain.mr.itd.umich.edu) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GQ80a-0004ia-5a for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 12:45:26 -0700 Received: FROM [141.213.221.81] (bursley-221-81.reshall.umich.edu [141.213.221.81]) BY skycaptain.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 45119A16.66A5E.23568 ; 20 Sep 2006 15:44:22 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <6fdb45540609200444h676f8daai23b91b5d9e6a5568@mail.gmail.com> References: <6fdb45540609140827i21d95f5fue0e06f6ebdec385c@mail.gmail.com> <451054EA.7060900@bcpl.net> <6fdb45540609200444h676f8daai23b91b5d9e6a5568@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alex Martini Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Assistance in studying Lojban required. Some-one who would like to converse in Lojban with newbie is wanted. Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 15:44:21 -0400 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 3587 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: alexjm@umich.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners {le la lojban. ku tavla} doesn't work because KU terminates words in selma'o LE, which doesn't include {la} -- that's in LA which doesn't have a terminator. I believe this is actually why pauses are required after cmene, otherwise you wouldn't know when they ended. See the CLL handy table of terminators at the bottom of this page: http://lojban.org/tiki/tiki-download_wiki_attachment.php?attId=179#s17 mu'omi'e .aleks. On Sep 20, 2006, at 7:44 AM, Michael wrote: > On 9/19/06, Michael Turniansky wrote: >> >> >> Michael wrote: >> >> > >> > .i mi cpedu lenu mi penmi le la lojban. tavla >> > >> >> Does this parse properly without a ku after lojban because "tavla" >> can't be part of a cmevla sequence? >> (i.e. if we had said ".. le le lojbo tavla" that wouldn't be >> grammatical, we'd need "le le lojbo ku tavla") > > Well I don't see any problem. "le le lojbo tavla" would be ambigous > because you've > got two gismu that run together and form a tanru. But "le la lojban. > tavla" is quite clear. > You've got the cmene "lojban" and "tavla" the gismu. They shouldn't > form a tanru. > I tested the "ku" form and the "ku"-less one in jboski and my > formulation gave proper result, where the "ku" form didn't parse > (hmm... dunno why). > > > > >