From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Sep 29 19:05:00 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 29 Sep 2006 19:05:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GTUDs-0001R8-Bi for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 19:05:00 -0700 Received: from phma.optus.nu ([166.82.175.165] helo=ixazon.dynip.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GTUDq-0001Qz-L3 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 19:05:00 -0700 Received: from [192.168.25.19] (unknown [192.168.25.19]) by ixazon.dynip.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F126ECE459 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 22:04:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: coi rodo Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 22:04:38 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <241e6b720609291714l5334ae95x93e48a08b3c3322@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <241e6b720609291714l5334ae95x93e48a08b3c3322@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609292204.40460.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-archive-position: 3602 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Friday 29 September 2006 20:14, Daniel Adamec wrote: > Being perhaps overly eager I constructed a rediculously long scentance > which my brain at this point refuses to translate back into coloquial > english. > > (was not gramatically correct) .i le mi mamta pu cusku lu lenu do tavla mi > semu'i lenu mi djica lenu do se catra mi zo'o li'u mi > > I ran it throught the grammar checker and found that it was 'missing selbri > at line 1 column 28'. I manipulated the scentance and found that removing > an element (lenu) I assumed to be nessesary to the construction of the > scentance let it pass through the checker with no gramatical warnings. > > (Accepted version).i le mi mamta pu cusku lu do tavla mi semu'i lenu mi > djica lenu do se catra mi zo'o li'u mi > Any explanations would be appreciated. Missing a selbri doesn't mean that it's ungrammatical; such sentences occur as answers to questions or elliptical sentences (e.g. {do klama ma?} {le briju}). Another version that works is: .i le mi mamta pu cusku lu lenu do tavla mi cu mukti le nu mi djica lenu do se catra mi zo'o li'u mi mu'omi'e pier.