From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Oct 05 07:22:00 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 05 Oct 2006 07:22:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GVU6q-0000pw-M7 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 07:22:00 -0700 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.182]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GVU6o-0000po-2m for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 07:22:00 -0700 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id n25so756072pyg for ; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 07:21:57 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lJndNQxq1jL/x6O3tPA08lTuhEx+5XaqRSZYCYQYBarlv8A36+qsDE/u+dovQDEEV64CMb8nT6DVAY8FWZ1Pxqk3tqqBW/KpcpDtFGhN5OxzcVdh5+WDPmdw+pMtrkO2VIbruUP/G+CZ3qngSpovS2rOYFZ4HWhoYuHz2mEIXk4= Received: by 10.35.78.13 with SMTP id f13mr3677108pyl; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 07:21:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.10.9 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 07:21:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560610050721w1919f16dpd694e39603ab019a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 11:21:56 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Lightbulb In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <241e6b720610031415y33825031yd2ead1d89dc98c8d@mail.gmail.com> <737b61f30610040749u11793452k598fc3b110599fbd@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-archive-position: 3609 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 10/4/06, Matt Arnold wrote: > I'd have to read more about Aristotle's causalities to know for sure, > but at first glance it appears they can be loosely mapped onto the > Lojban cause words. > > Material Cause: {ri'a}, "because of cause and effect" > Formal Cause: {ni'i}, "logically entailed by" > Efficient Cause: {ki'u}, "because of reason" > Final Cause: {mu'i}, "because of motive" I think the only Aristotelian cause that we would classify as a cause is the efficient cause, which would be {ri'a}. {mu'i} may be one example of final cause, but Aristotle's final causes are more general, they are the "what for" of something. For example, when Little Red Ridinghood is told by the wolf that his teeth are so big the better to eat her with, the wolf is giving a final cause of why his teeth are so big, but this is not {mu'i}. Perhaps {te pi'o}. The material cause of something is what it is made of, and the formal cause of something is what its form is. These might be {se ma'e} and {te ma'e}, but we probably wouldn't call them causes. I don't know if Aristotle would have included logical entailment as a cause, and if so under what category. Maybe the premises are the material cause of the conclusion, and the inference rules are the efficient cause? {ki'u}, as an explanation of something, would probably cover all of the Aristotelian causes. mu'o mi'e xorxes