From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Nov 11 06:52:32 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 11 Nov 2006 06:52:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GiuDg-00031b-8x for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 06:52:32 -0800 Received: from smtp.mail.umich.edu ([141.211.14.82] helo=hellskitchen.mr.itd.umich.edu) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GiuDa-00031O-TY for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 06:52:31 -0800 Received: FROM [141.213.221.81] (bursley-221-81.reshall.umich.edu [141.213.221.81]) BY hellskitchen.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 4555E36D.11E09.1002 ; 11 Nov 2006 09:51:25 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <811651.91137.qm@web30414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-265890747 Message-Id: <3133B961-851B-4DB5-BA33-63F1EF8BCDA6@umich.edu> From: Alex Martini Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: klama, go, come, travel Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 09:51:24 -0500 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-archive-position: 3676 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: alexjm@umich.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --Apple-Mail-1-265890747 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Is it possible to pair {vi} with {mo'i} to indicate 'coming/going toward here'? I've seen {ne'i mo'i klama} used to mean going inside in the past. But {vi} and {ne'i} are from different selma'o. mu'o mi'e .aleks. On Nov 10, 2006, at 10:21 PM, Theodore Reed wrote: > On 11/10/06, Jon MacLeod wrote: > I was doing some thinking on my way home last night, and this > occurred to me: > > The English words, go, come, and travel (as verb) mean exactly the > same thing, > except for the difference of an impled spatial tense in the words > go and come. > > Making the implicit tense explicit in Lojban: > > go: zo'e vi klama zo'e > come: zo'e klama zo'e vi > travel: zo'e klama zo'e > > Just thought I'd point out that your use of tenses makes those not > quite mean what you intend. vi can't fill sumti places. The first > two of those both mean roughly "Near here, someone goes." > > You'd be better off using ti, which can be a sumti: > > zo'e klama zo'e ti > zo'e klama ti zo'e > > -- > Theodore Reed (treed/bancus) > www.surreality.us --Apple-Mail-1-265890747 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Is it possible to pair {vi} with = {mo'i} to indicate 'coming/going toward here'?

I've seen {ne'i mo'i klama} = used to mean going inside in the past. But {vi} and {ne'i} are from = different selma'o.

mu'o mi'e = .aleks.

On Nov 10, 2006, at 10:21 PM, Theodore = Reed wrote:

On 11/10/06, Jon MacLeod = <eye_onus@yahoo.com> = wrote:
I was doing some = thinking on my way home last night, and this occurred to me:

The = English words, go, come, and travel (as verb) mean exactly the same = thing,
except for the difference of an impled spatial tense in the = words go and come.

Making the implicit tense explicit in = Lojban:

go:=A0=A0=A0=A0 zo'e vi klama zo'e
come:=A0=A0 zo'e = klama zo'e vi
travel: zo'e klama zo'e

Just = thought I'd point out that your use of tenses makes those not quite mean = what you intend. vi can't fill sumti places. The first two of those both = mean roughly "Near here, someone goes."

You'd be better off = using ti, which can be a sumti:

zo'e klama zo'e ti
zo'e klama = ti zo'e

--
Theodore Reed (treed/bancus)
www.surreality.us
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