From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Nov 11 14:16:55 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 11 Nov 2006 14:16:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gj19i-0004El-Tb for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 14:16:55 -0800 Received: from web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.200.104]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gj19g-0004Ee-Fa for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 14:16:54 -0800 Received: (qmail 23214 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Nov 2006 22:16:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20061111221650.23212.qmail@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=30JMCuD9TZZwayf1nP55Hjtf/d7sPKlYM4RhkZk5RQVCwfiBQZv7KvzJcvsOywN5aSmQITO5iCfvzVJzWmkqkW9H782VNQt87C+I/8lSS0naCCkx4QftqqDRjM9zCQYz+RXCmFxHTp4qwJwRKhNWyZagT0QxMzYnaA8u97ovGAo=; X-YMail-OSG: YsorroUVM1mlYG3WDxS_VPvgfeujbAtCcNqQ4bGOfQwQEfZRG6VA6Kt6P.OitggOb1NoqxlsgoRO9wrEpQZvh71gUQK6mZI4Yf9uVQCkFQ67pwZIV0z2Mw-- Received: from [132.178.229.54] by web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 14:16:50 PST Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 14:16:50 -0800 (PST) From: Jon MacLeod Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: lojban-beginners Digest V5 #187 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-archive-position: 3677 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: eye_onus@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners > Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 19:21:47 -0800 > From: "Theodore Reed" > Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: klama, go, come, travel > > On 11/10/06, Jon MacLeod wrote: > > > > I was doing some thinking on my way home last night, and this occurred to > > me: > > > > The English words, go, come, and travel (as verb) mean exactly the same > > thing, > > except for the difference of an impled spatial tense in the words go and > > come. > > > > Making the implicit tense explicit in Lojban: > > > > go: zo'e vi klama zo'e > > come: zo'e klama zo'e vi > > travel: zo'e klama zo'e > > > Just thought I'd point out that your use of tenses makes those not quite > mean what you intend. vi can't fill sumti places. The first two of those > both mean roughly "Near here, someone goes." > > You'd be better off using ti, which can be a sumti: > > zo'e klama zo'e ti > zo'e klama ti zo'e I must have placed the word incorrectly. It was my intention that the vi be attached to the adjacent zo'e, as in '(something unspecified) close by', not to fill a sumti place with vi. Perhaps 'vi zo'e klama zo'e' and 'zo'e klama vi zo'e'? mi'e .topy'at. "I have a brain, I've just lost my mind." -Ian McLeod "As a percentage of total universal knowledge, what I know is statistically insignificant." - me ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index