From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Nov 21 14:38:01 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:38:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GmeFc-0000m9-Ts for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:38:01 -0800 Received: from smtp01.domeneshop.no ([194.63.248.15] helo=lakepoint.domeneshop.no) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GmeFZ-0000m1-4K for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:38:00 -0800 Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([84.52.247.50]) (authenticated bits=0) by lakepoint.domeneshop.no (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kALMbqFO003215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 23:37:53 +0100 Message-ID: <45637FC0.2050806@bommelibom.com> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 23:37:52 +0100 From: Einar Faanes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (X11/20061115) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: lujvo creation: economical class. References: <4561F3E0.3000409@bommelibom.com> <45621B0C.4090801@phma.optus.nu> <4562214C.9080200@bommelibom.com> <12d58c160611210847r24a4302cma891495a6a67b886@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <12d58c160611210847r24a4302cma891495a6a67b886@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) X-archive-position: 3693 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: einar@bommelibom.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners >> Einar Faanes: >> > That was what I was afraid of. A gismu signifying society or community >> > is what I need. Maybe {cecmu}? >> On 11/21/06, Arnt Richard Johansen wrote: >> Is this concept in any way different from "socio-economic class"? If not, >> maybe "jdini jikca klesi" will work as a veljvo. komfo,amonan skrev: > The place structure of {jdini} betrays IMHO it's inappropriateness for > this > lujvo concept. How about {ni ricfu klesi}? mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan Maybe, but I don't think they would fit the concept I'm trying to describe, which is social classes divided by economic interests. I think {cemkle} (from veljvo {cecmu klesi}): x1=k1 is a class/category/subgroup/subset within community x2=c1=k2 of organisms x3=c2 with defining property x4=k3; and putting {jdini}, {kamcfu} or {kampindi} in x4. Can x3 be omittet, I don't think specifying the organism is useful in this use. Einar.