From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Nov 22 10:11:26 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 22 Nov 2006 10:11:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GmwZB-0003Yp-TS for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 10:11:26 -0800 Received: from mail.foraynewmedia.com ([69.55.237.146]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA1:24) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GmwZ4-0003Yb-Vs for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 10:11:25 -0800 Received: (qmail 66418 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2006 18:11:16 -0000 Received: from 82-36-239-93.cable.ubr01.sutt.blueyonder.co.uk (HELO ?10.0.1.99?) (jimdabell-jim@82.36.239.93) by mail.foraynewmedia.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 22 Nov 2006 18:11:16 -0000 From: "djim.dyBEL." To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: The big lujvo hunt: Revolution. Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 18:16:58 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <45648DCB.8090601@bommelibom.com> In-Reply-To: <45648DCB.8090601@bommelibom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200611221816.59157.jim-digitalkingdom.org-lojban@jimdabell.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 3695 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jim-digitalkingdom.org-lojban@jimdabell.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Wednesday 22 November 2006 17:50, Einar Faanes wrote: > I'm continuing my quest to construct new lujvo. This time I tried > "revolution" (fundamental/big change in government). Another approach might be to use something like {nu jecta basti} to signify the event of replacing a state: jecta: x1 is a polity/state governing territory/domain x2; [government/territory relationship] basti: x1 replaces/substitutes for/instead of x2 in circumstance x3; x1 is a replacement/substitute I suppose it depends on whether you consider the state to persist but be altered by revolution, or whether you consider the state to be wholly replaced by it. > I'll also be happy if someone could come up with a gismu which is closer > to "fundamental" than barda. These might be useful: jicmu: x1 is a basis/foundation/underlying or fundamental principle of x2; x1 is at the bottom of x2 jinzi: x1 (property - ka) is an innate/inherent/intrinsic/natural property/quality/aspect of x2 -- djim.