From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Dec 03 15:28:49 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 03 Dec 2006 15:28:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gr0lN-00059u-44 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 03 Dec 2006 15:28:49 -0800 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.188]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gr0lH-00059g-2s for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 03 Dec 2006 15:28:48 -0800 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c31so6700378nfb for ; Sun, 03 Dec 2006 15:28:41 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HM+dvT+Qd+7xoH9TQH7uelx0WO9+SNeycSyPJhxFpa8+P84NKX62VRw6OjcXgQrrxaUK8LJgAaSKFae/dDWosau4Obw8viqWhG3PXYbuQYehrYUxStDbSmYSsRWT0odVtlSXWuOSwI7D6rOcQ8bXB0nF/a0VKJoWjaFSQ7RTifQ= Received: by 10.78.57.11 with SMTP id f11mr7085876hua.1165188521380; Sun, 03 Dec 2006 15:28:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.144.3 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Dec 2006 15:28:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 18:28:41 -0500 From: "Matt Arnold" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Pronouncing "x" In-Reply-To: <457271D2.3080107@mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4571D160.6030000@mindspring.com> <7C12B446-67E9-460B-8047-B1EC4DAF28B7@gmail.com> <45723719.8070606@phma.optus.nu> <457271D2.3080107@mindspring.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 3772 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Ron, one thing you could do is email them directly to me at matt.mattarn@gmail.com and I'll put them on my web server. -Eppcott On 12/3/06, Ronald Guida wrote: > Pierre Abbat wrote: > > I pronounce it as either ach-Laut or ich-Laut, depending on nearby > > vowels, except in the combination "xr", which I pronounce as a single > > sound, a voiceless uvular and alveolar trill (i.e. ach-Laut and rolled r > > at the same time). If you heard my turkey tonguetwister at jbonunsla, > > you know what that sounds like. But if the "r" of "xr" is vocalic, it's > > the voiced double trill. So: > > marxa - ach-Laut > > darxi - ich-Laut > > maxri - double trill > > rirxrxrazdani - just keep trying ;) > > (This last word means "is the river Hrazdan". You probably don't need it > > unless you're going to Armenia ;)) > > > > As to Hebrew, I pronounce (when I'm careful) chet as ach-Laut and khaf > > as ich-Laut. > > > > phma > > > > I recorded myself pronouncing these four words "marxa", "darxi", > "maxri", "rirxrxrazdani". Where I can put my recordings (total size > 65K) so that others can tell me if my pronunciation is correct? > > Also, I did not get tongue-twisted on "rirxrxrazdani", but I should note > that several years ago I trained myself to avoid getting tongue-twisted; > my training consisted of reading Dr. Seuss' _Fox in Socks_ out loud > until I learned how to speak the twisted rhymes quickly and accurately. > > -- Ron > > > > > > >