From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Dec 04 08:58:15 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 04 Dec 2006 08:58:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GrH8x-00049S-3a for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 08:58:15 -0800 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.227]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GrH8p-000494-Ak for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 08:58:14 -0800 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i11so1187018wra for ; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 08:58:04 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=a/LygEo9BW+0WQ+ShjNXpoizrOTriFCN3nwyABj6mYmw9TvOKRUW8CMZGHhezwT91aR+VGuICFS5GgLdOGUDgxa+ONQq38hWqyFmmOywbO1dqTa5dhu0h6T7ExymU9N0zpKMH/Btq4aVrFyPYSpEk0kwuMYqxKsSYdxqfG7d2NU= Received: by 10.78.201.15 with SMTP id y15mr7867494huf.1165251483511; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 08:58:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.144.3 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 08:58:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:58:03 -0500 From: "Matt Arnold" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Pronouncing "a" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 3782 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Danny, Episode two of jbocradi will probably be of help to you: http://nemorathwald.com/jbocradi/2005/10/jbocradi-remoo.html I addressed the issue of the British "a" specifically. The vowels were chosen to be very different from each other, so keep it from being close to "o". Click "Sound sample" on the following webpages to hear them. Acceptable "a"s: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_front_unrounded_vowel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-open_central_vowel Incorrect "a"s, might be mistaken for "o"s: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_back_rounded_vowel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close-mid_back_unrounded_vowel It's not a back-of-the-mouth sound. -Eppcott On 12/4/06, Danny Robinson wrote: > I've been trying to learn Lojban for a few days now, so I'm very new at > this, but as much as I try I can't find the proper way of pronouncing the > letter "a". I'm Scottish, and have a slight Glaswegian accent, so maybe > that's why I can't find a pronunciation that makes sense to me. > > The Lojban beginner text says to use the "a" from "father", but not the > "a" from "hat". I pronounce those two "a"s identically. Another resource I > looked at told me to pronounce "a" like the "a" in "father" or "top", > which I pronounce completely differently. I pronounce the "o" in "top" > like the "a" in "all". Is this is the correct pronunciation of "a" in > Lojban or is it more like the "a" in "chapel"? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Jumpstart your legal career > Earn your legal degree online, and get it while you work > http://tagline.bidsystem.com/fc/BgLEQfIzcviSJ8ltAmStQ2jI6IH2Kay10d0u/ > > > > >