From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Dec 07 11:16:18 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 07 Dec 2006 11:16:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GsOjC-0006xB-JB for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 07 Dec 2006 11:16:18 -0800 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.226]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GsOj6-0006x1-6r for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 07 Dec 2006 11:16:18 -0800 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i30so961890wxd for ; Thu, 07 Dec 2006 11:16:11 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=WdOTVC/SiyPLAZVbvUNuzES++O0x7ma4y8ItAKwL1aE6Nz13iv2lPDE6ZI5mMysoWsHobfRKrofqN+zI7ipjq6n66De8JP6kR4NcvudpT6FHeAK+virXFY95NWGIxq/GFoNoo5fxVUqwEVhD2FTEK6ATS7mBV7kQRR5K8VbUvqs= Received: by 10.90.115.9 with SMTP id n9mr2940351agc.1165518970777; Thu, 07 Dec 2006 11:16:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.98.13 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 11:16:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <537d06d00612071116i5f7c265wd9a26f4e7d79a1f0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 20:16:10 +0100 From: "Philip Newton" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Interaction of {na} and {su'o} MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-archive-position: 3824 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: philip.newton@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners A sentence on jsk ( http://www.teddyb.org/jsk/showpost.php?post=565 ), "Every pig is an animal, but not every animal is a pig", has the proposed translation {.i ro xarju cu danlu .i ku'i su'o danlu na xarju}. That made me think, since I'm not really clear about how {na} interacts with things. My feeling, though, is that {su'o danlu na xarju} is the same as {naku su'o danku cu xarju} and/or {naku zo'u su'o danku cu xarju}, which would mean "It is not the fact that: at least one animal is a pig", which is obviously false. Would that mean that {ro danlu na xarju} and/or {naku ro danlu cu xarju} and/or {naku zo'u ro danlu cu xarju} would be better? Or would it have to be something like {naku zo'u da poi danlu zo'u da xarju}? What about {su'o danlu cu na'e xarju}? mu'o mi'e .filip. -- Philip Newton