From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Dec 15 09:55:51 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:55:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GvHHi-0003aI-Ec for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:55:50 -0800 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.230]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GvHHc-0003Zy-19 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:55:48 -0800 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i11so411786wra for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:55:40 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=skjwef+Pg4aB/UuiBCyVqFE2eoQ8vq1zrX/lu4VPeQLMrI3Lpa5ck7X7Tvmqxm1QD1kv1Ofd5HAoABaTmeMn+US84hm7ISS6vCA6Xkud1BrRsnqkhxzy/Ytzbt09rxAm8GILMKHxh7mkyAm+U5OjJh/UdC1M4TPDYVEi+joeYJM= Received: by 10.78.185.15 with SMTP id i15mr394014huf.1166205336493; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:55:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.144.4 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:55:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:55:36 -0500 From: "Matt Arnold" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Quick questions In-Reply-To: <925d17560612150935s30a3d880i7168e2afc173ff48@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <20061212222520.40200.qmail@web81415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <925d17560612150935s30a3d880i7168e2afc173ff48@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 3845 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On the IRC channel, we were recently discussing that. I suggested that if {pi} is completely universal, then isn't it part of the definition of {si'e}? And that therefore {pi} never needs to be included because it would be redundant? -Matt On 12/15/06, Jorge Llambías wrote: > On 12/15/06, Matt Arnold wrote: > > > > If I understand {si'e} correctly, > > {pasi'e} means "x1 is the first portion of mass/totality x2", > > {resi'e} means "x1 is the second portion of mass/totality x2", > > {rosi'e} means "x1 is all portions of mass/totality x2", > > {su'osi'e} means "x1 is at least some portions of mass/totality x2". > > {so'esi'e} means "x1 is most of the portions of mass/totality x2". > > The ma'oste definition is a bit confusing, but the idea with {si'e} is that > it takes fractions, not integers: > > fi'uresi'e = pimusi'e: "x1 is half of x2" > fi'ucisi'e = picira'esi'e: "x1 is a third of x2" > fi'uvosi'e = piremusi'e: "x1 is a quarter of x2" > ... > pisu'osi'e: "x1 is some fraction of x2" > piso'esi'e: "x1 is most of x2" > piso'asi'e: "x1 is almost all of x2" > pirosi'e: "x1 is all/the whole of x2" > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > > >