From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Dec 29 08:04:25 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 29 Dec 2006 08:04:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H0KDY-0003lf-3d for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 08:04:25 -0800 Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.70]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H0KDS-0003lU-R3 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 08:04:23 -0800 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=spJ7znGJSUROuyxtpxw+ye9PHLV22+blj93VMPwt8NNHXHmTyK5mVNo3CusiepbH; h=Received:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Content-Type:To:From:Subject:Date:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.165.174.10] (helo=[10.0.1.3]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1H0KDK-0001gm-Ck for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 11:04:10 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <0A4A8D28-8EBF-49B7-8CB8-5E3F225F0F09@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org From: Cortesi Subject: [lojban-beginners] pu'i? Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 16:55:58 -0800 X-ELNK-Trace: c82619e33d1ea3219c7f779228e2f6aeda0071232e20db4dd54fb4cc6460e4c9a051567cfa0c8f57350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.165.174.10 X-Spam-Score: -1.2 X-Spam-Score-Int: -11 X-Spam-Bar: - X-archive-position: 3849 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: dcortesi@mindspring.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Something strange to me in the gismu list around line 952, > pu'i pus can and has modal aspect: can and has; demonstrated potential... and just a few lines later, > punji puj pu'i put x1 (agent) puts/places/sets x2 on/at surface/locus x3 ... Is that not contradictory uses of pu'i? How can it be both a rafsi and a cmavo? Thanks, Dave Cortesi