From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Dec 29 16:07:52 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 29 Dec 2006 16:07:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H0RlP-0007zv-NK for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 16:07:52 -0800 Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.62]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H0RlM-0007zo-Np for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 16:07:51 -0800 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=ZtrO0akGmoW4FdK/XHqsTW1tMR4Nb2DDsP9pGsMXCCP68qu8nppFhtRN0GZJRQIn; h=Received:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Content-Type:To:From:Subject:Date:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.165.173.126] (helo=[10.0.1.3]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1H0RlL-0008ML-Fl for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 19:07:47 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <5701D119-C1FD-4C21-94C1-13B016C107E2@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org From: Cortesi Subject: [lojban-beginners] How long can we stay aloft? Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 16:08:02 -0800 X-ELNK-Trace: c82619e33d1ea3219c7f779228e2f6aeda0071232e20db4dda44e4da026638d4524915c9455f545b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.165.173.126 X-Spam-Score: -1.8 X-Spam-Score-Int: -17 X-Spam-Bar: - X-archive-position: 3857 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: dcortesi@mindspring.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Trying to translate the question How long can/will we stay aloft? Perhaps it is being asked by a pilot, of a flight engineer. Or by a passenger in a hot-air balloon of its pilot. Where I've gotten so far: zu'o ma'a stali le tsani kei the activity of us-all remaining in the sky zu'o ma'a vofli kei the activity of us-all flying le nu ma'a ru'i vofli kei the event of us continuatively flying Whichever, I want to ask, how long does that continue? temci is no good because its place structure is x1=duration, x2=start, x3=end; there's no place in it for the activity phrase. The only alternative I see is renvi, zu'o ma'a stali le tsani kei renvi te ma (activity) survives/endures for x3 duration what? Seems a bit dramatic; but other time gismu are specific as to units, cacra=hours, djedi=days, etc. I don't want to force an answer specifically in hours, e.g. le nu ma'a ru'i vofli kei cacra ma but rather a general "how long?" Any suggestions? Thanks, Dave Cortesi