From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Dec 30 17:37:43 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 30 Dec 2006 17:37:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H0pdu-0001nd-Lk for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 17:37:42 -0800 Received: from phma.optus.nu ([166.82.175.165] helo=chausie) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H0pds-0001nT-FO for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 17:37:42 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C2B517D1 for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 20:37:44 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: staying aloft Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 20:37:43 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <873436C5-5C40-4634-BEE3-E58BC6007097@mindspring.com> In-Reply-To: <873436C5-5C40-4634-BEE3-E58BC6007097@mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ansi_x3.4-1968" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200612302037.43478.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 X-Spam-Score-Int: -22 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 3865 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Saturday 30 December 2006 12:46, Cortesi wrote: > ze'a ma ma'a vofli > ze'a pano se mentu ma'a vofli > [medium-duration 10-minutes we-all fly] {pano se mentu} means "ten durations measured in minutes", that is, ten numbers, not ten time intervals. You could say {pano mentu} for "ten minutes", but when speaking precisely, remember that {pano mentu} does not imply that the ten minutes are contiguous, or that they are all exactly a minute - it means "ten time intervals, each of which is measured in minutes". > ma'a cu'e vofli? > [we-all what time/space? fly] > ri mentu pano > [prior-sumti minutes-duration-is 10] > > That is not a grammatical response, which should be a tense, {ri mentu li pano} is grammatical, but I think what you mean is {la'e di'u mentu li pano}. {ri} repeats the previous sumti, which here is {ma'a}. To answer by filling in the blank, you could say {ca'o lo mentu be li pano}. phma