From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Jan 08 08:26:27 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 08 Jan 2007 08:26:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H3xKN-0001dQ-4N for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 08:26:27 -0800 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.186]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H3xKI-0001d6-VI for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 08:26:26 -0800 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c31so14887324nfb for ; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 08:26:21 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=FHF/WM4QUMMoJh74msFDhs9LUttqgdDtyAVHQcjUgwKxBe4qE3t22zgIvOeNulIiLVhQphzXNuPu/KXf7QTu17IIB1Kzy+TKUeyEAWe2eliwt8Q2CYuyLZufsyRWGuVR/WljZfaEv8muGdL0KNP2skL1HQsCYAzXHuOerF4CHeE= Received: by 10.82.184.2 with SMTP id h2mr2656193buf.1168273581223; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 08:26:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.115.20 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 08:26:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560701080826w4266ecc4t80622b85a7346f7c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:26:20 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: tomorrow i'll go to school for the first time this year In-Reply-To: <200701081100.50603.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <45A1261E.4050007@perpetuum-immobile.de> <45A25BFD.9060906@perpetuum-immobile.de> <925d17560701080714k1abbee97q1d62a9d50beb5d88@mail.gmail.com> <200701081100.50603.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 X-Spam-Score-Int: -24 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 3880 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 1/8/07, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > What would {ki} mean as a sumtcita?? {mi klama ki le ckule} - what does that > mean? I thought {ki} modified the preceding tense marker to make it the > default. {ki} can be used by itself, too. As I understand it, {le ckule} would then become the origin for other tenses. For example {mi klama ki le ckule va lo ki'otre be li mu} "I'm going (somewhere from somewhere via somewhere by some means) at a distance of 5 km from the school". {klama} is not the best selbri to use with spatial tenses because it has so many spatial arguments of its own already that it can be confusing. A more clear example: {mi sanga ki le ckule va lo ki'otre be li mu} "I'm singing at a distance of 5 km from the school". mu'o mi'e xorxes