From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Jan 18 08:39:14 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:39:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H7aID-0006CW-Ck for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:39:13 -0800 Received: from smtp.mail.umich.edu ([141.211.14.81] helo=hackers.mr.itd.umich.edu) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H7aI2-0006Bo-EM for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:39:11 -0800 Received: FROM [141.213.221.81] (bursley-221-81.reshall.umich.edu [141.213.221.81]) BY hackers.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 45AFA266.D29C9.2940 ; 18 Jan 2007 11:37:58 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4021D41AE@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> References: <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4021D41AE@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <93D64BBD-C6F6-43A5-B0B8-80D8192872FD@umich.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alex Martini Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: FW: quantified number sumti, fences, and meshes Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:37:59 -0500 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Score-Int: -25 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 3908 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: alexjm@umich.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Jan 18, 2007, at 11:11 AM, Turniansky, Michael wrote: > > Pierre wrote: >> On Thursday 18 January 2007 10:00, Turniansky, Michael wrote: >>> But I can't figure out how to say "the 2 2's" For example, saying >>> (and >>> this may be malglico, in which case I apologize in advance) "The 3 >>> sticks measured-in-meters were 2 2's, and a 3" (And yes, I know >>> you CAN >>> circumlocute this in various ways, but I was talking more directly.) >>> I've tried li re boi re, but that doesn't parse. Is there a way >>> to do >>> it? > >> {le ci grana cu mitre re li re jo'u li ci}. jbofi'e requires >> {lo'o} before >> {jo'u}, for the same reason as {ku joi}. > > But this misses my point (which may mean my sentence was a bad > example). > I know that "re li re" is fine, but it means "2 _of the_ 2's". I want > to assert that 2 2s are all the 2s there are (equivalent to "le re > verba"). Obviously, I can't say "li re re", because that would > mean the > 22. Can you describe in long form what exactly you mean by "2 2's" ? With no context I can't really tell what you want to say. I thing that you are actually using an English idiom that means "two things that are measured in some way to be 2 units", ie two sticks that are both 2-meters long would be 2 2's, or two pipe fittings that are standard size #2 or some such thing. Although, now that I think on it, things that are just associated with the number two can be called 2's. Like if a teacher makes three versions of an exam and numbers them 1 2 and 3. She can have 2 2's sitting her desk, waiting to be graded. mu'o mi'e .aleks.