From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Jan 18 15:43:25 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 15:43:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H7gui-0005qM-BI for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 15:43:24 -0800 Received: from phma.optus.nu ([166.82.175.165] helo=ixazon.dynip.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H7gue-0005q1-Ns for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 15:43:23 -0800 Received: from chausie (unknown [192.168.7.4]) by ixazon.dynip.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C467CEA52 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:43:07 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: POM lines 1 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:40:21 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <8A34D4EB-0E3C-478E-87D8-BB7443624363@mindspring.com> <200701172102.14050.phma@phma.optus.nu> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ansi_x3.4-1968" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200701181840.23102.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: -2.2 X-Spam-Score-Int: -21 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 3915 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Thursday 18 January 2007 18:21, Cortesi wrote: > On Jan 17, 2007, at 6:02 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > {noltruti'u} is one word. {noltru ti'u le cupra}... (is something > > very other) > > I'm concerned about a basic thing here: was audio/visual isomorphism > dropped along the line? (I don't want to reopen any old wars if so.) > > It seems to me that a person reading aloud would pronounce > {noltruti'u} and {noltru ti'u} exactly the same, or too closely for a > human or computer to distinguish them. But you (also Ted) say there's > a semantic difference. In {noltru ti'u}, "nol" is stressed; in {noltruti'u}, it isn't. A brivla is stressed on the penult unless that syllable has "y" in it, in which case it is stressed on the antepenult. phma