From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Jan 19 13:07:34 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:07:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H80xR-0007ET-Tm for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:07:34 -0800 Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.62]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H80xH-0007D7-QA for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:07:33 -0800 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=dJS1A7IdrQhDSzQ7LvRJvTYox0zHugEP9NuA5J0pcP1lXprV6eEvjuJBFe1b3IDc; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.164.88.64] (helo=[10.0.1.2]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1H80xH-0005qZ-3m for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:07:23 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <200701182024.45274.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <9E0C1B84-45C3-4DF5-BA23-3BA4DFD213FC@mindspring.com> <200701182024.45274.phma@phma.optus.nu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cortesi Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: POM 2: This is Green Man Land Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:07:50 -0800 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-ELNK-Trace: c82619e33d1ea3219c7f779228e2f6aeda0071232e20db4d31c30a79996b60dc9f3a4546c4209dde350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.164.88.64 X-Spam-Score: -2.4 X-Spam-Score-Int: -23 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 3935 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: dcortesi@mindspring.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Jan 18, 2007, at 5:24 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Thursday 18 January 2007 19:17, Cortesi wrote: >> e'u ma'a carna fi le berti .ice'o ma'a janli le dertu >> >> SUPER: We should turn North before we hit ground. > What you're thinking of is {ibabo}, Yah know, I just gotta finish reading Lojban for Beginners ... this is covered there plain as day... > but {.e'u ma'a carna fi le berti .ibabo > ma'a janli le dertu} means that we either actually will or ought to > hit the > ground. What you want is more like {.e'u ma'a carna fi le berti pu > lo nu da'i > janli le dertu} "...before the possibly unrealized event of hitting > the > ground". Oh no, they know they're going inevitably down. That's established in the preceding lines. ibabo is perfect. More of POM next week.