From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Jan 23 16:52:21 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 23 Jan 2007 16:52:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H9WNA-0002TR-Cs for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 16:52:20 -0800 Received: from phma.optus.nu ([166.82.175.165] helo=ixazon.dynip.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H9WN7-0002TF-2L for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 16:52:20 -0800 Received: from chausie (unknown [192.168.7.4]) by ixazon.dynip.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A285FCE8FA for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:51:58 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: POM: the Princess puts her foot down Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:48:29 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <1F820080-F970-4A37-BC88-3AE472E14A41@mindspring.com> In-Reply-To: <1F820080-F970-4A37-BC88-3AE472E14A41@mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200701231948.29769.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: -2.2 X-Spam-Score-Int: -21 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 3940 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Tuesday 23 January 2007 16:48, Cortesi wrote: > Explanation of what's going on, and preceding dialog in this scene, at: > http://www.tassos-oak.com/tempp/barsoomian.html > > The Princess's yacht captain warns her they are going down in: > > JARL THON > > lo cacra li me'i pa .ije. > > SUPER: Less than an hour, and... > > hours-counted-as a-number less-than 1. And, Either {lo cacra be li me'i pa} or {cacra li me'i pa}. As written, it's two sumti, "an hour" and "some number less than 1". If you're not actually making a logical conjunction, just say {i}. > ti ru'u tutra lei ri'opre > > SUPER: These are Green Man lands Is "Green Man" a name? > nearby surrounding territory-controlled-by those described as green- > persons > > .i. e'u .ei ma'a carna fi le berti .ibabo ma'a sraku le dertu > > SUPER: We should turn North before we scrape dirt. > > (suggest)(obligation) we-all turn toward the north thereafter we > scrape the dirt > > DEJAH THORIS > > .ie nai cai! La Eliym rursegunta .i. ki'unai > > SUPER: No! Helium is besieged. Even so, Helium, the element, is {solnavni}. What is Helium here? {i ki'unai}, when connecting two sentences, needs {bo}, else {ki'u} is a preposition whose object is {piro la barsum}. {rursegunta} is a fu'ivla. Do you think {rurselgunta} or {se rurgunta} is better? > (rejection)(strong) Helium is-subject-of-encircling-attack. In spite > of that