From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Jan 24 04:42:39 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 24 Jan 2007 04:42:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H9hSV-0007vS-0B for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 04:42:39 -0800 Received: from smtp.mail.umich.edu ([141.211.14.81] helo=hackers.mr.itd.umich.edu) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H9hSL-0007uo-Q7 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 04:42:32 -0800 Received: FROM [141.213.221.81] (bursley-221-81.reshall.umich.edu [141.213.221.81]) BY hackers.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 45B753F3.DCB6A.2008 ; 24 Jan 2007 07:41:24 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <20070124122944.GA4320@dfmwxp.starman.ee> References: <1F820080-F970-4A37-BC88-3AE472E14A41@mindspring.com> <4F9E8CD4-2D69-4D5E-813D-A3C590A85A5D@umich.edu> <20070124122944.GA4320@dfmwxp.starman.ee> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alex Martini Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: POM: the Princess puts her foot down Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 07:41:26 -0500 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Score-Int: -25 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 3942 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: alexjm@umich.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Jan 24, 2007, at 7:29 AM, Elmo Todurov wrote: > On 17:06 Tue 23 Jan , Alex Martini wrote: >> Is this the right stressing of {noltruti'u}? I expected {nol-TRU- >> ti'u} as three Lojban syllables, since I was under the impression >> that .y'y doesn't make a syllable break. > noltruTI'u is the correct pronounciation. y isn't counted as a > vowel for > syllable-making purposes (like the word, banlydau (ignore the meaning, > it's just for illustration) is pronounced BANlydau). > > Elmo If I count .y'y as a syllable break, I get {nol-tru-TI-hu} as the second to last, but if I don't I get {nol-TRU-tihu} as second to last using h for .y'y since it's easier to see as syllable initial. Which seems to be the opposite of what you're saying. {ti'u} counts, as far as I know, all as one syllable since y'y is not a syllable break. If it were, then cmavo like {ba'o} would be two syllables which isn't allowed. I think I might have confused you a little, because I wasn't talking about .ybu at all. It's the apostrophe I meant, not the letter y. mu'o mi'e .aleks.