From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Jan 24 04:50:13 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 24 Jan 2007 04:50:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H9hZt-000853-1t for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 04:50:13 -0800 Received: from smtp-out8.starman.ee ([85.253.0.10] helo=smtp-gw1.starman.ee) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H9hZn-00084t-SC for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 04:50:12 -0800 Received: from mx2.starman.ee (mx2.starman.ee [62.65.192.9]) by smtp-gw1.starman.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4641A211C5 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 14:50:05 +0200 (EET) Received: from haqq.pri.ee (ip189.cab8.ltln.starman.ee [82.131.8.189]) by mx2.starman.ee (Postfix) with SMTP id 2BF6232C51B for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 14:50:03 +0200 (EET) Received: by haqq.pri.ee (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 24 Jan 2007 14:50:04 +0200 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 14:50:04 +0200 From: Elmo Todurov To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: POM: the Princess puts her foot down Message-ID: <20070124125004.GA4537@dfmwxp.starman.ee> References: <1F820080-F970-4A37-BC88-3AE472E14A41@mindspring.com> <4F9E8CD4-2D69-4D5E-813D-A3C590A85A5D@umich.edu> <20070124122944.GA4320@dfmwxp.starman.ee> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="EeQfGwPcQSOJBaQU" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Virus-Scanned: by Amavisd-New at mx2.starman.ee X-Spam-Score: -1.6 X-Spam-Score-Int: -15 X-Spam-Bar: - X-archive-position: 3944 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: todurov@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --EeQfGwPcQSOJBaQU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 07:41 Wed 24 Jan , Alex Martini wrote: >=20 > On Jan 24, 2007, at 7:29 AM, Elmo Todurov wrote: >=20 > >On 17:06 Tue 23 Jan , Alex Martini wrote: > >>Is this the right stressing of {noltruti'u}? I expected {nol-TRU- > >>ti'u} as three Lojban syllables, since I was under the impression > >>that .y'y doesn't make a syllable break. > >noltruTI'u is the correct pronounciation. y isn't counted as a =20 > >vowel for > >syllable-making purposes (like the word, banlydau (ignore the meaning, > >it's just for illustration) is pronounced BANlydau). > > > >Elmo > If I count .y'y as a syllable break, I get {nol-tru-TI-hu} as the =20 > second to last, but if I don't I get {nol-TRU-tihu} as second to last =20 > using h for .y'y since it's easier to see as syllable initial. Which =20 > seems to be the opposite of what you're saying. > {ti'u} counts, as far as I know, all as one syllable since y'y is not =20 > a syllable break. If it were, then cmavo like {ba'o} would be two =20 > syllables which isn't allowed. Who says ' isn't a valid syllable breaking letter? I don't deny that I might be wrong, but I was under the impression it _is_ allowed and _is_ a 2-syllable word. Could you please give me reference to the text that says a single cmavo must be a single syllable, and that ' can't start a syllable? --EeQfGwPcQSOJBaQU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6-ecc01.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFt1X8A5n1b8XPrFQRAluFAJwK7jN9+YNtlOhNXoTgaIKRfc4CgQCeP/F4 tqWW6qN18i6kNVd4uRLvXcw= =875W -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --EeQfGwPcQSOJBaQU--