From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Jan 24 08:16:07 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 24 Jan 2007 08:16:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H9kn8-0005nl-T1 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 08:16:07 -0800 Received: from smtp.mail.umich.edu ([141.211.14.81] helo=hackers.mr.itd.umich.edu) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H9kn0-0005na-I4 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 08:16:06 -0800 Received: FROM [141.213.221.81] (bursley-221-81.reshall.umich.edu [141.213.221.81]) BY hackers.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 45B78600.DC947.25635 ; 24 Jan 2007 11:14:57 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4021D41DA@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> References: <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4021D41DA@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <328E7862-66E6-4D8D-BB0E-57B7BA7E106E@umich.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alex Martini Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: POM: the Princess puts her foot down Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:14:59 -0500 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Score-Int: -25 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 3948 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: alexjm@umich.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners I think part of the issue is that Lojban actually has 2 kinds of syllables, or two different ways to break a word into syllables. As far as making words is concerned, it seems that y'y doesn't "count" as a consonant or a vowel. This lets us have a lot more cmavo than we would otherwise have. But when pronouncing Lojban, y'y has to break a syllable. My confusion is around stress -- do you assign stress based on the morphological syllables or based on the phonemic syllables? Or am I still thinking about y'y from the wrong angle? mu'o mi'e .aleks.