From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Jan 24 09:40:18 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 24 Jan 2007 09:40:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H9m6c-0007PM-7w for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 09:40:18 -0800 Received: from phma.optus.nu ([166.82.175.165] helo=ixazon.dynip.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H9m6U-0007Ob-4R for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 09:40:17 -0800 Received: from chausie (unknown [192.168.7.4]) by ixazon.dynip.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BE1CCE743 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 12:39:54 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: POM: the Princess puts her foot down Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 12:36:13 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4021D41DF@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> In-Reply-To: <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4021D41DF@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200701241236.14159.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: -2.2 X-Spam-Score-Int: -21 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 3951 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Wednesday 24 January 2007 11:27, Turniansky, Michael wrote: > Phonemic (remembering that ai,oi,ei, and au are diphthongs, therefore > single syllables). All non-cmavo, non-(cmene-where-otherwise-indicated) > words, are stressed on the penultimate syllable, unless those syllables > have a y in them, in which they are not counted. fu'Ivla, kalcyTA'u, > PAFygau. Okay? I think the rule is "unless the only vowel in them is y"; a cmevla can have "uy" or "iy" in it, and can have two consecutive syllables with "y" in them or the first or last syllable with "y", none of which can occur in brivla. Then there are syllabic consonants, which are important for determining whether a word is pronounceable, but have no effect on placing the stress. "bakrto" (an ungulate of uncertain identity mentioned in Leviticus 11) could be "BA,kr,to" or "BAK,rt,o", and "cinkytoltri" is stressed on "to" no matter how many syllables you make of "ltr". phma