From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Jan 24 09:54:48 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 24 Jan 2007 09:54:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H9mKd-0007ap-Rj for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 09:54:48 -0800 Received: from mclmx2.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.32]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H9mKW-0007aa-3r for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 09:54:47 -0800 Received: from 0015-its-ieg02.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.21] [149.8.64.21]) by mclmx2.mail.saic.com for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 12:54:27 -0500 Received: from 0015-ITS-EXBH01.us.saic.com ([10.43.229.18]) by 0015-its-ieg02.mail.saic.com (SMSSMTP 4.0.5.66) with SMTP id M2007012412542604920 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 12:54:27 -0500 Received: from 0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com ([10.75.0.188]) by 0015-ITS-EXBH01.us.saic.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 24 Jan 2007 12:54:26 -0500 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C73FE0.B0067B6B" Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: POM: the Princess puts her foot down Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 12:54:26 -0500 Message-Id: <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4021D41E1@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [lojban-beginners] Re: POM: the Princess puts her foot down Thread-Index: Acc/3/9CaqyfLHesScCvKdtMsoZLcAAAH88g From: "Turniansky, Michael" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2007 17:54:26.0945 (UTC) FILETIME=[B07B6710:01C73FE0] X-Spam-Score: -2.5 X-Spam-Score-Int: -24 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 3953 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: MICHAEL.A.TURNIANSKY@saic.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C73FE0.B0067B6B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No, pieere is right.. Fro the Grammar, 3.9: Most Lojban words are stressed on the next-to-the-last, or penultimate, syllable. In counting syllables, however, syllables whose vowel is ``y'' or which contain a syllabic consonant (``l'', ``m'', ``n'', or ``r'') are never counted. (The Lojban term for penultimate stress is ``da'amoi terbasna''.) Similarly, syllables created solely by adding a buffer vowel, such as [I], are not counted.=20 =20 And yes, I did realize after I read my own message that I meant to say "only y", but I didn't think it important enough to correct. gejyspa =20 ________________________________ From: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org [mailto:lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org] On Behalf Of Theodore Reed Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 12:46 PM To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: POM: the Princess puts her foot down =20 On 1/24/07, Pierre Abbat wrote: =09 Then there are syllabic consonants, which are important for determining whether a word is pronounceable, but have no effect on placing the stress. "bakrto" (an ungulate of uncertain identity mentioned in Leviticus=20 11) could be "BA,kr,to" or "BAK,rt,o", and "cinkytoltri" is stressed on "to" no matter how many syllables you make of "ltr". This seems a little wrong. I believe the stress needs to fall on the r in that case, whether it's grouped with the k or the t. Anyone with additional information on this?=20 --=20 Theodore Reed (treed/bancus) www.surreality.us=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C73FE0.B0067B6B Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

No, pieere is right.. Fro the = Grammar, 3.9:

Most Lojban words are stressed on = the next-to-the-last, or penultimate, syllable. In counting syllables, = however, syllables whose vowel is ``y'' or which contain a syllabic consonant = (``l'', ``m'', ``n'', or ``r'') are never counted. (The Lojban term for = penultimate stress is ``da'amoi terbasna''.) Similarly, syllables created solely by = adding a buffer vowel, such as [I], are not counted. =

 

  And yes, I did realize after = I read my own message that I meant to say “only y”, but I didn’t = think it important enough to correct.

      =   gejyspa

 

From: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org = [mailto:lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org] On Behalf Of Theodore Reed
Sent: Wednesday, January = 24, 2007 12:46 PM
To: = lojban-beginners@lojban.org
Subject: = [lojban-beginners] Re: POM: the Princess puts her foot down

 

On 1/24/07, Pierre = Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> = wrote:


Then there are syllabic consonants, which are important for = determining
whether a word is pronounceable, but have no effect on placing the
stress. "bakrto" (an ungulate of uncertain identity mentioned = in Leviticus
11) could be "BA,kr,to" or "BAK,rt,o", and "cinkytoltri" is stressed on "to"
no matter how many syllables you make of = "ltr".


This seems a little wrong.  I believe the stress needs to fall on = the r in that case, whether it's grouped with the k or the t. Anyone with = additional information on this?


--
Theodore Reed (treed/bancus)
www.surreality.us =

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