From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Jan 25 05:23:05 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 05:23:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HA4ZE-0006Uw-GW for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 05:23:05 -0800 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.185]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HA4Z2-0006US-SI for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 05:23:03 -0800 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c31so1633599nfb for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 05:22:51 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Oi7KxFsSNJsum9LmfHCQPd3QHvbYqGqHPXsNsdiWRAikTmlk8/Urjx4GeOhqTY1/l6DEPRE/HpjiRIT28l1MBjtWZDemKcrqFA/xZOgETptam2TYNcFvTEiGCqAeaYEbxNxqsvJ4BsG0fuB6nl9GxrfNfkYFrOJx2OB3cHyli3U= Received: by 10.49.13.19 with SMTP id q19mr4227887nfi.1169731371054; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 05:22:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.9.8 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 05:22:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560701250522s56dd037bj9384eec1ef5b1d0b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 10:22:50 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: POM: the Princess puts her foot down In-Reply-To: <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4021D41E9@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <925d17560701250430t4feb5448t56ae8da4b9b0d658@mail.gmail.com> <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4021D41E9@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 X-Spam-Score-Int: -24 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 3962 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 1/25/07, Turniansky, Michael wrote: > Okay, but I'm still confused as to whether "mi viska le na cukta" has any > semantic meaning? "mi viska le na'e cukta" = "I see something other than > a book". Yes. Or "I see that which I describe as a non-book". > "mi viska na le cukta" => "It's not true that I see a book" Actually, the {ku} is not elidable after {na}, don't ask me why: {mi viska na ku le cukta}. > But what does "mi viska le na cukta" mean? I see a non-book? > Essentially meaning (in this particular case) the same as "mi viska > le na'e cukta"? Yes. The difference between {na} and {na'e} is one of scope, {na'e} just over the selbri and {na} over at least every following operator, but in this case there is no difference. A more contrived example where there would be a difference might be: lo na'e prami be ro da = someone who (doesn't love) anyone. lo na prami be ro da = someone who doesn't (love every one). mu'o mi'e xorxes