From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Jan 28 09:37:38 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 09:37:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HBDyD-00042A-5b for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 09:37:37 -0800 Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HBDy8-000420-65 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 09:37:36 -0800 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=rY8tV48pinkpeYtMsOTGi0XEIJAEdfQj2HB7DxBFtE3C4GVCGJoBDI+fkSJjS748; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.164.83.5] (helo=[10.0.1.2]) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1HBDy7-0000uG-4N for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 12:37:31 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <200701231948.29769.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <1F820080-F970-4A37-BC88-3AE472E14A41@mindspring.com> <200701231948.29769.phma@phma.optus.nu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9823E012-37EC-4FBB-8E25-0AE75AC04A1A@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cortesi Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: POM: the Princess puts her foot down Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 15:48:18 -0800 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-ELNK-Trace: c82619e33d1ea3219c7f779228e2f6aeda0071232e20db4d6fd44cbaacebd36fa63c1be8c875a4f5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.164.83.5 X-Spam-Score: -2.2 X-Spam-Score-Int: -21 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 3967 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: dcortesi@mindspring.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Jan 23, 2007, at 4:48 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: >> .ie nai cai! La Eliym rursegunta .i. ki'unai >> >> SUPER: No! Helium is besieged. Even so, > > Helium, the element, is {solnavni}. What is Helium here? Helium is the name given by Burroughs to the principal city of the Red Martians, home and inheritance of la deijatoris, whose grandfather rules there. Burroughs undoubtedly meant to link this city to the highest scientific achievements (of 1912) but nowadays "Helium" is stuff you put in party balloons. So I'm calling for it to be pronounced exactly "ellium" in English, {la eliym} > {i ki'unai}, when connecting two sentences, needs {bo}, else {ki'u} > is a > preposition whose object is {piro la barsum}. This is complicated. I want her to say three things, separately -- clearly -- and tersely. 1. Helium is besieged 2. (Regardless) all Barsoom is endangered (therefore) 3. Helium must be told/alerted/warned (kajde/vernuzba/terskicu) I'd appreciate any suggestions on how to compose these sentences; it's a key speech. > {rursegunta} is a fu'ivla. Do you think {rurselgunta} or {se > rurgunta} is > better? I was trying to compose the tanru, victim-of encircling type-of attack, {se sruri gunta}. So it would appear I want {se rurgunta}. Or it could be {se sruri jamna} although a siege is an attack, not a whole war. Or even: Helium is an attack type-of island, {gunta daplu} --> {gunplu}. What do you think? Thanks for the help! DC