From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Feb 04 22:50:20 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 04 Feb 2007 22:50:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HDxg6-0002Ev-Kk for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 04 Feb 2007 22:50:15 -0800 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.168]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HDxfs-0002EN-QH for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 04 Feb 2007 22:50:14 -0800 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m3so1274993uge for ; Sun, 04 Feb 2007 22:49:37 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=HLjqWgGrz6UlDbEqyHyRJHCDI2mAXUgIOOTOw6ajA5MadmLhyh1nbZI3O7RzuxpFGDDbsX3a1/jKLpw37V7Ch04iFurn5I0DhYJ1J2lHWgU78AG5zwcj9Ow3W7vFL1x7s9clpqTFcsdpAhRdaeW+lxEuZOdGFVPmyY3PGUZq0Zw= Received: by 10.78.179.12 with SMTP id b12mr1034529huf.1170658174641; Sun, 04 Feb 2007 22:49:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.21.19 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Feb 2007 22:49:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 22:49:34 -0800 From: "Theodore Reed" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: POM: Hold! Stop! In-Reply-To: <67B9FEB9-E735-4E74-8266-B7C064EB874B@mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_28969_27727498.1170658174620" References: <4EFD5066-92E6-47F5-AB5B-127D6631CA06@mindspring.com> <925d17560702010457p2fcbfe37kc183a74f7b44e82e@mail.gmail.com> <67B9FEB9-E735-4E74-8266-B7C064EB874B@mindspring.com> X-Spam-Score: -1.8 X-Spam-Score-Int: -17 X-Spam-Bar: - X-archive-position: 3995 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: ted.reed@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_28969_27727498.1170658174620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 2/3/07, Cortesi wrote: > > > Is there an abstractor that pulls the "verb" out? > {pu'u jamna} == process of (x1 wars on x2) == "war"? > {si'o damba} == concept of (x1 fights x2) == "combat"? > {zu'o damba} == activity of (x1 fights x2) == "fighting"? You're thinking too literally. "Battle" is a happening. Happenings do not call. People call. It's an idiom. I suggest you attempt to translate the spirit of the idiom, which is how I arrived at ".ei damba", equating "Battle Calls" with "We are obligated to fight", but "mi bilga lo nu damba" is too formal to match the spirit. -- Theodore Reed (treed/bancus) www.surreality.us ------=_Part_28969_27727498.1170658174620 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 2/3/07, Cortesi <dcortesi@mindspring.com> wrote:

Is there an abstractor that pulls the "verb" out?
        {pu'u jamna} == process of (x1 wars on x2) == "war"?
        {si'o damba} == concept of (x1 fights x2) == "combat"?
        {zu'o damba} == activity of (x1 fights x2) == "fighting"?


You're thinking too literally.  "Battle" is a happening. Happenings do not call. People call. It's an idiom. I suggest you attempt to translate the spirit of the idiom, which is how I arrived at ".ei damba", equating "Battle Calls" with "We are obligated to fight", but "mi bilga lo nu damba" is too formal to match the spirit.

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Theodore Reed (treed/bancus)
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