From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Feb 05 04:28:49 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 05 Feb 2007 04:28:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HE2xj-0003dL-St for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 05 Feb 2007 04:28:48 -0800 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.188]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HE2xc-0003dB-Se for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 05 Feb 2007 04:28:47 -0800 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c31so3720890nfb for ; Mon, 05 Feb 2007 04:28:39 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mKORDf9wcKmDmcSN95+FTK29t3hLL8eW0TrTIfnSnHVd+PoF4cvCbhpwh0LqeKaqcI+Aae1jAzgIf8xim6uJ3etcG/2pyFPLa0sunJDarXXar/O12ktXXKJiU4e6qr49b7YQJYrK0J+quMHTtBJluXpBTH8iiJEWYu4eGeNC0rA= Received: by 10.49.8.15 with SMTP id l15mr2137273nfi.1170678518426; Mon, 05 Feb 2007 04:28:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.9.12 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 04:28:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560702050428p5e1cd48o68d3eabe9d208006@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 09:28:38 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: POM: Hold! Stop! In-Reply-To: <67B9FEB9-E735-4E74-8266-B7C064EB874B@mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4EFD5066-92E6-47F5-AB5B-127D6631CA06@mindspring.com> <925d17560702010457p2fcbfe37kc183a74f7b44e82e@mail.gmail.com> <67B9FEB9-E735-4E74-8266-B7C064EB874B@mindspring.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.2 X-Spam-Score-Int: -21 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 3996 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 2/3/07, Cortesi wrote: > > What about {lo bradi cu rinsa .ei} "the enemy calls"? To me, that means "the enemy ought to greet us" (Or a bit more precisely: "it ought to be the case that the enemy greets us"). > {lo jamna} also has x1: actor, same issue as {lo damba}. > > Is there an abstractor that pulls the "verb" out? > {pu'u jamna} == process of (x1 wars on x2) == "war"? > {si'o damba} == concept of (x1 fights x2) == "combat"? > {zu'o damba} == activity of (x1 fights x2) == "fighting"? {pu'u}, {zu'o}, {za'i} and {cu'i} are all cases of {nu}. I tend to avoid them and just use {nu}, so I would say {lo nu jamna}, {lo nu damba}. mu'o mi'o xorxes