From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Feb 26 06:46:36 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 26 Feb 2007 06:46:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HLh7b-00038X-Op for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 06:46:36 -0800 Received: from mclmx.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.10]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HLh7R-00038G-ES for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 06:46:35 -0800 Received: from 0015-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.21] [149.8.64.21]) by mclmx.mail.saic.com for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:45:58 -0500 Received: from 0015-its-exbh02.us.saic.com ([10.43.229.22]) by 0015-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com (SMSSMTP 4.0.5.66) with SMTP id M2007022609455800910 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:45:58 -0500 Received: from 0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com ([10.75.0.188]) by 0015-its-exbh02.us.saic.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:45:58 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C759B4.D3B3C519" Subject: [lojban-beginners] Forbidden triples and doubled FAs (two topics) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:45:58 -0500 Message-Id: <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7BD3@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Forbidden triples and doubled FAs (two topics) Thread-Index: AcdZtNKI0x2YfXvYQ4q+80h3J0ZNOQ== From: "Turniansky, Michael" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Feb 2007 14:45:58.0616 (UTC) FILETIME=[D3D31580:01C759B4] X-Spam-Score: -1.3 X-Spam-Score-Int: -12 X-Spam-Bar: - X-archive-position: 4045 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: MICHAEL.A.TURNIANSKY@saic.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C759B4.D3B3C519 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 1) I note that just as lojban disallows certain CC combinations (such as "mz") for fear they will be misheard, TLI Loglan disallows certain triples (like "ndj" which might be confused as "nj") Does lojban have any such forbidden triples? I see none such in the CRG, but don't know if the BPFK has done anything on this.=20 =20 2) An utterance of the form "le broda cu le brode fe le brodi" or even "le broda cu fe le brode fe le brodi" is grammatically acceptable, but does it have any meaning? As I see it, there are three possibilities: One) it is non-meaningful, and clearly and error; two) It implies some type of logical or non-logical connection between the argument, equivalent to "le broda cu fe brode JE/JOI brodi" (and probably specifically je or joi); or three) brodi replaces brode entirely. Has this been discussed/resolved? =20 Thanks in advance, --gejsypa ------_=_NextPart_001_01C759B4.D3B3C519 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

1) I note that just as lojban disallows certain CC combinations (such as “mz”) for fear they will be misheard, = TLI Loglan disallows certain triples (like “ndj” which might be confused as “nj”)  Does lojban have any such forbidden triples?  I see none such in the CRG, but don’t know if the = BPFK has done anything on this.

 

 2) An utterance of the form “le broda cu = le brode fe le brodi” or even “le broda cu fe le brode fe le = brodi” is grammatically acceptable, but does it have any meaning?  As I see = it, there are three possibilities:  One) it is non-meaningful, and = clearly and error; two) It implies some type of logical or non-logical connection =  between the argument, equivalent to  “le broda cu fe brode JE/JOI = brodi” (and probably specifically je or joi);  or three) brodi replaces = brode entirely.  Has this been = discussed/resolved?

 

         =            Thanks in advance,

         =             &= nbsp;    --gejsypa

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